Episode 29 - Jessica Trengove

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00:00:15Scott Trickett: And welcome back to episode 29 of the parkrun Adventurers. I'm joined, as always, by Mel Erbacher on the Sunshine Coast. Hi, Mel.

00:00:27Melissa Erbacher: Hey, Scotty. How are you doing?

00:00:29Scott Trickett: Fantastic. Very relaxed this week.

00:00:33Melissa Erbacher: That's good to hear. You must have been for a run recently.

00:00:37Scott Trickett: Just returned from a run, which always makes me feel relaxed. Did you have a relaxing weekend? I know you had a busy one.

00:00:46Melissa Erbacher: Ah, there was, well, no, relaxing is not one of the words I would use. It was definitely a big one. Adventures abounding, as per usual.

00:00:55Scott Trickett: You're the adventure queen lately. I feel like I'm not pulling my weight in this relationship, in this partnership. Every week you're off to a different parkrun, having a different adventure, and I'm at Studley.

00:01:09Melissa Erbacher: It's getting a little bit exhausting, actually. But I've only got a few more adventures in the recent, or the near future, I should say. So after that, things are going to settle down a little bit for spring, which I'm looking forward to. Adventuring a little bit closer to home. Which you must be enjoying. You've got the benefit of, you know, Studley's still relatively new, so you guys will be building a new community of runners around there. So you must be enjoying getting to know all the new people.

00:01:44Scott Trickett: I am. It's funny you should say it. I really am. It's one of the good things about starting at a new event again is, you know, you're building all these new friendships again. Hopefully new friendships and meeting new people. It's great. And I'm in a vein of volunteering at the moment. I'm in a five week stretch of volunteering. So not getting much running in, but volunteering is still fun, so that's good. But tell us about your fun on the weekend. You adventured up to Far North Queensland?

00:02:18Melissa Erbacher: I did. I got to experience Airlie Beach parkrun this weekend and that is event number 32 for me on the most events list. On Friday night we had dinner with the Whitsunday Running Club who organised the event over the weekend for the Airlie Beach Powwow event. essentially apart from parkrun itself that was great meeting some of the local members of the running club and actually we got to meet a couple of special people one of whom is a gentleman that i interview A little bit later, I interviewed him on Saturday after parkrun. But it's interesting, he's interesting because he's a runner from France who is on a bit of an adventure himself this year and he had never heard of parkrun. And it still always baffles me when I meet someone who is an established runner who does, you know... a decent amount of kilometres on a weekly basis and has still never heard of parkrun. And on my home ground, I've pretty much recruited everybody I know, even the non-runners amongst my family and friends. I've managed to drag along at some point to at least one parkrun. And here was some new non-parkrunning people Oh, I don't have an adjective for it.

00:03:52Scott Trickett: Some fresh blood.

00:03:54Melissa Erbacher: Some fresh blood. Yes. Let's go back to the cult analogy and human sacrifices. Fresh blood to introduce to parkrun. And so basically, because he does have a great story of the adventures that he is embarking on this year, I said, look – You would be amazing. I would love to interview you on the podcast. However, we're the parkrun adventurers. We only talk to parkrun adventurers. And you've never done a parkrun. so you need to come to parkrun tomorrow. And we basically, between myself and my husband and Tim Oberg, who was also there, we signed him up on the spot. We got his barcode sent to Tim's house where Tim printed it out and brought it along in the morning. We picked him up in the morning outside of his hotel and drove him to parkrun and then home again afterwards. So Whether he wanted to or not, this man was coming to parkrun and we made it happen. And it's been a long time since I've managed to recruit somebody completely new to parkrun and it was very satisfying.

00:05:08Scott Trickett: So good job. You got him to parkrun and you also snagged an interview with him.

Guest interview — Wilfrid Palcy (Airlie Beach)

00:05:15Melissa Erbacher: Adventurers, I would like to introduce you all now to Wilfrid Palcy. Wil is on an amazing adventure. He's just done his first parkrun today at Airlie Beach parkrun. But Wil, tell us what you're up to.

00:05:29Wilfrid Palcy: So, yeah, so my name is Will. Today I run with Park, Run Park, which was my first time. I was very good to run in 22 minutes. My first 5K with you was a great experience. And the weather was good. Tomorrow I'm going to run a half marathon, 21K here in Airlie Beach and it's going to be fun as well. As a matter of fact, tomorrow will be the race number 29 out of 32 because the idea for me is to run 52 half marathon in 52 weeks throughout the world from January to December. So I'm very excited. So far so good. No injuries. I met a lot of people. I travel in 21 countries. Kind of have the feeling that it is the once in a lifetime experience for me. The great thing with traveling so much is I can really trust my running community. Every time I travel in a country it's totally new, it's a blank page, I know absolutely nobody and the country I've selected is totally unknown for me. And I'm able to meet people all the time from day one till the end of the week because I stay one week on average in every country. The only thing I do is to book one night, the first night is booked. The rest of the time I'm just invited to people's place or people offer me a sofa or things like this. It's a great way to meet people, to interact with them, to learn a lot about people and different countries. So I've been exploring Australia. I was last week in Cairns in an incredible trail. The week before I was in Gold Coast. And I also travel to other countries in Sydney and Melbourne. Next week, I'm going to travel in Townsville. And next week, I will change continents. Because the idea is to travel in five continents. I covered America, North, Central, and Latin America. I went to Asia. As a matter of fact, I ran in China on the Great Wall. And in tourist I'm going to cover Europe and I will run in 15 different countries in Europe and then Africa. So I'm very excited.

00:08:13Melissa Erbacher: Wow. And so where did your journey start and when?

00:08:17Wilfrid Palcy: So my journey started in Zurich, in Switzerland. That was the first run. It was a night run on New Year's Eve. And I was very glad. I was a little bit scared because that was the very first time that I had to travel with my backpack and to say goodbye to my family, to my place. And 15 people came with me from Paris, because I live in Paris. And 15 people, friends, runners, they traveled with me in Zurich. So I went to Zurich, I flew there, and they ran with me. They went home after the race, and I kept on traveling. The week after, I flew to Florida. And the idea for me... is to start from Zurich and end in Zurich. So I will cover all the countries I've mentioned, 52 rounds, and if everything goes well, I will finish at the same place in Zurich, New Year's Eve again. So feel free to come.

00:09:30Melissa Erbacher: Wow, that is definitely a massive adventure. And what is the motivation that got you started and keeps you going?

00:09:39Wilfrid Palcy: Right. So the motivation is... Actually, the original reason why I do it is because I've decided to run for charity. I decided to raise money for a foundation in France, which is called La Fondation du Souffle, which means literally the foundation for breathing. Every time I run, I dedicate this time to encourage people to donate to this foundation. And the second thing is I try to convince people to stay healthy, to quit smoking, to have a healthy life. These are the two components of this project. And the reason why, if we go even further, the reason why I do it is because I lost my uncle a few years ago. He had lung cancer. He was a smoker. And sadly, he passed away. All of these are good reasons for me to stay motivated and I never skip a race because I want to do something else. I just decided to keep the momentum at the highest level possible and so far I've been very, very, very good. I've never missed a race and I've always enjoyed it. [French: "The Breath Foundation (literally "the foundation of breath") — a French charity for respiratory health"]

00:11:04Melissa Erbacher: And last night we met you at the Anchor Bar in Airlie Beach and invited you to come along to parkrun. It was the first you'd ever heard about parkrun. So Airlie Beach parkrun this morning was your first 5K, free 5K with a whole bunch of us crazy parkrunners. What did you think? How did you enjoy the experience?

00:11:27Wilfrid Palcy: It was great, as I said. It was nice for me to meet like-minded people, people who like running, but also people who just want to gather and meet other people. I wish I knew this club or this community before, because... I've been running sometimes alone, for example, in Cuba or in Panama City, because I couldn't meet people to run with me. Sometimes official runs are not available when I travel. So I think I won't be alone anymore. If I go to some countries where I can't really find anybody, or even when I just want to... to meet a group of people for training. I think I'll be able to use this community and win again.

00:12:15Melissa Erbacher: So you hear that, parkrun adventurers. Will is traveling to a country near you very soon, and he would love to run with you.

00:12:23Wilfrid Palcy: Absolutely. So get ready in Europe and Africa. That's going to be my next journey.

00:12:31Scott Trickett: Thanks, Will. Always love hearing a French accent, too. And he's definitely on an adventure. Is he tired? Doing a lot of travelling and running.

00:12:40Melissa Erbacher: He looks very fresh. He looks fresh as daisy. In fact, even after the half marathon on Sunday, he looked like he'd barely been out for a trot. So I think he's getting into the groove of it all.

00:12:55Scott Trickett: He's a fit dude. Okay, so you've done Airlie Beach parkrun. What are your thoughts?

00:13:03Melissa Erbacher: Well, I volunteered on Saturday, so I took it fairly easy. I was trying to save my legs for 10 kilometers on Sunday. And I did it in a onesie, which was a bit confusing for everybody else at the event because nobody else was dressed up. But I had to explain to other volunteers that Noosa parkrun was celebrating their second anniversary on Saturday and being in my territory I would normally be there. Unfortunately for me I missed out because the anniversary date was slightly moved and yeah I couldn't be there. But in honour of the fact that they were celebrating with a onesie and pyjama parkrun I decided I would also wear a onesie. In far north Queensland, which was, even though it was overcast, it was a little bit sweaty in that onesie. And I was dressed as Eeyore, so I may have had blue fluff sticking to my legs and my arms when I took it off afterwards.

00:14:16Scott Trickett: It's a pretty course, isn't it?

00:14:18Melissa Erbacher: It is a beautiful course. I enjoyed it. It had a little bit more undulations than I was expecting. I'm also a little bit intrigued about... I understand the two laps, but I'm just not sure that they couldn't have been done a little bit differently so you don't have to circle around the garden bed twice.

00:14:38Scott Trickett: Which was my next question. Are they still going around the garden bed?

00:14:42Melissa Erbacher: They are. Um... And it's getting quite, because it was a wet weekend, it was very muddy. So I think the actual foot traffic around the grassy side of it is possibly starting to do some damage. And the grass is suffering a little bit.

00:15:04Scott Trickett: It's a quirk of the course. Maybe they're going to leave it.

00:15:07Melissa Erbacher: The event team... at Airlie Beach parkrun were awesome. Very welcomed by Bob and Leslie and Justin and Cara who was the run director that morning. It was her first time run directing and she did a brilliant job. And it was also lovely. This is something I love about powwows. It's like I will liken it to going to a hen's weekend before a wedding. Because you don't know most of the bride's friends usually. And the hen's weekend is a really wonderful opportunity to get to know all these women that are important to this lady that's also important to you. And then at the wedding, you actually can talk to these people because you've met them before and you've shared some experiences and so you've got that friendship already built. And so parkrun on a powwow weekend is just like that. And it's even the dinner on a Friday night. Everybody gets together, you meet the new people, you learn names, you have conversations. And then when you see them at the next running event over the weekend... you continue to build on those relationships. And by the time you come to the Sunday running event, which in my case was the 10k run on Sunday morning, although many others were doing the half marathon, you've got all their names down pat already. You can high five them on the course, you can cheer them along. And it's just a really lovely progression over the weekend of getting to know people. It's like several weeks at a parkrun, but all crammed into one weekend. And I really, really love that atmosphere at Powwows.

00:16:47Scott Trickett: That does sound like a fun weekend, and you must have capped it up with a stellar performance in the 10k, I'm guessing.

00:16:57Melissa Erbacher: Stellar is the only way I perform, Scotty. I had a great 10K run. I ran the entire distance, so I was very proud of myself. I was a sub-90-minute finish, 16th in my age category, and guess what else? You're not guessing.

00:17:16Scott Trickett: You didn't sweat.

00:17:20Melissa Erbacher: No, I sweated. Not as much as I did on Saturday when I was dressed in a onesie, but there was sweat involved. Guess again.

00:17:27Scott Trickett: You did it in normal clothes. Yes.

00:17:30Melissa Erbacher: Yeah, I wasn't even wearing, oh no, I was wearing a running club shirt. Yeah, but still relatively normal clothes for me. All right, you've obviously run out of ideas. So I'm going to tell you. I came 111th and it was a dead last finish. So we were chatting last week about how you had a DNF. Was that last week or the week before?

00:17:59Scott Trickett: Last week.

00:18:01Melissa Erbacher: Have you ever had a DLF?

00:18:04Scott Trickett: No, I haven't.

00:18:05Melissa Erbacher: Because they come with a whole different set of expectations or pressures in many circumstances. I've got friends who've come dead last and have been followed by an ambulance waiting to finish up. I've had people... ripping the course down around me because this isn't my first dead last finish either and there's always just this pressure that you know you're going to miss cut-offs often i'll ask people oh what's the cut-off for this event or what's the cut-off for that And you can tell right away if they're one of those fast runners who's never had to consider a cut-off in their life because they just don't know. Whereas the people like myself who, you know, squeeze the most out of every nine or ten minute kilometre, we need to be concerned about cut-offs sometimes because it's not always fun to have somebody write up your clapper trying to tell you to finish the run or move faster. But it was not even remotely like that on Sunday. It was a wonderful experience. I had a great time coming dead last. And I can't explain well enough to the people who are concerned about coming last how much it doesn't matter. Because you just go out there and you enjoy your own time and... You cheer other people and there are other people on the course around you and they're doing their own things. And yeah, okay, so what if the half marathoner who started 10 minutes before you finishes half an hour before you do? It's all good. It doesn't matter. I had a great time.

00:19:58Scott Trickett: It's often my experience that the person coming last often gets one of the biggest cheers. That's not the case all the time?

00:20:10Melissa Erbacher: It was certainly the case when we were cheering the kids in in the two kilometres on Saturday afternoon. The child that came last got a very, very big cheer. I did get a good cheer. I won't say that I didn't. However, because my event was a shorter distance, there were still people out on the course in the longer events. So I guess... probably some people didn't realize that I was the very last.

00:20:40Scott Trickett: I imagine finishing and the course being packed up behind you is probably disconcerting and a disappointing experience. So I'm glad that didn't happen to you on Sunday.

00:20:52Melissa Erbacher: Yes, I have actually. When I finished my marathon, they had a red carpet leading up to the finish line. And they were literally rolling up the red carpet as I was coming down to finish. And I was like, no, stop, stop what you're doing. I'm running on that damn carpet. And I managed to get onto the carpet. But that right there is my only did not finish because we were outside the cutoff time. So we ran a marathon distance, but I have a DNF for my own marathon.

00:21:29Scott Trickett: How close?

00:21:32Melissa Erbacher: Um, I think it was about 18 minutes outside.

00:21:37Scott Trickett: I reckon it's crummy. Look, I do understand the idea behind having cut-offs. Just let people finish. And just because they finish on a footpath or after most people have gone home, at least let them have the credit of finishing. Don't give them a DNF.

00:21:58Melissa Erbacher: Well, if the timekeeper's gone home, then there's not any choice, really, is there?

00:22:04Scott Trickett: The timekeeper couldn't hang around for another 18 minutes? So busy on a Sunday?

00:22:13Melissa Erbacher: Yes, well, this is my unfinished business with Marathon du Médoc, and this is why one needs to go back and do it again. It will be a wonderful adventure. Very shortly heading off to Rio along with the Australian Olympic team. We're now joined by Jess Trengove. Jess, welcome to the podcast. Hello, Mel and Scott.

Guest interview — Jessica Trengove

00:22:46Scott Trickett: Hi, Jess. Are you excited or nervous, nervous excited about Rio?

00:22:52Jessica Trengove: Look, I'm really looking forward to Rio. There's only five weeks to go now, so I've got three more weeks of hard training before the taper begins, and certainly the anticipation and excitement is really building. I can't wait to get away from the winter, actually.

00:23:09Melissa Erbacher: Now, you did some training over in the US recently, Jess. Was that altitude training?

00:23:15Jessica Trengove: It was, yeah. I headed to Flagstaff in Arizona for just over four weeks for the month of May and it's something that I did last year and I responded positively to and so went there again this year and really enjoyed it there. They're a great group of Australians training from all parts of Australia and I think we all really reap the benefits of our time.

00:23:39Melissa Erbacher: And for those parkrun adventurers out there who've never done any altitude training, what are the benefits of that for athletes?

00:23:45Jessica Trengove: Well, basically there's less oxygen in the air or the air's thinner and I guess your body responds to that environment by producing more red blood cells to compensate for there being less oxygen in the air. So when you then come down back to sea level, training feels a bit easier, I guess, for a couple of weeks. And if you have a race, you can certainly often feel a difference. Different people respond differently. uh differently to altitude so it's important to sort of see whether it works for you before doing it prior to a major race um but yeah certainly i i've seemed to have had a positive response when i've done it in the past and so it was part of my preparation for rio this year who were you over there training with was it the rest of the aussie team It was a mixed bunch. We had, so from South Australia, Riley Cox and Sophie Eccle, they're both in Adam Didyk's squad, Team Tempo. So we shared a house. But we were, you know, joining in with training with Philo Saunders' group from Canberra. He had about 12 people living in a house. Then Ken Green in Sydney had his Sydney Running Academy group there. And then there were a few other athletes from various coaches who were you know staying in the town or with those other training squads so yeah all in all I think there would have been about 20 Australians over the time I was there and you like the group training environment do you find you push yourself a lot more Yeah, I do. I love the social side of running. I came from a netball background and really enjoyed the team sport and what that had to offer. I was a bit nervous when I started focusing on running that I was opting for a really individual sport, but I haven't found that to be the case at all. From training camps like Flagstaff where you're living with other people and getting to go on long runs as a big pack where you are at a pace where you can chat away and you go for coffee afterwards and also then things like the Australian teams where you're with another massive team again it's actually a really social sport and I love that I don't like to be out on my own for too long.

00:25:58Scott Trickett: When you're doing that many kilometers surely you can't run with group the whole time so what do you think about when you're on your long solo run does it do your head in?

00:26:11Jessica Trengove: Yeah, look, it can. I've got a few other jobs and hobbies and things that I do outside of running. And those times where I'm running on my own are great for going over things in my head, preparing for the day. I often do my long solo run in the morning. So if I have a a talk that I'm doing later on that day or some physio work, I can sort of plan my day out and, you know, go over the talk in my mind. So, yeah, it probably is work-related thoughts that I have when I'm out there running. But other times, you know, if it's a nice day and, The skies are blue. You're just sort of out there thinking how good the scenery is and how great it is to be running. After all those hours in the gym, I'm really appreciating being outdoors at the moment.

00:27:06Melissa Erbacher: Now, Jess, most of us, when we decide to tackle a biggish event, we start training five or six months out if it's a marathon, for example. I imagine you just train every day. It's part of your life. What does your training look like? When you got selected for Rio, obviously, had you started training before specifically for that with the idea that you'd be going there?

00:27:30Jessica Trengove: Yeah, look, I've been training for marathons specifically since mid-2011 and But I've been running since I was in primary school. I loved school cross country and little athletics. So I guess I stopped playing netball to focus on running in 2008. And since then, I've gradually increased my mileage. And that was actually the year that Adam Diddick started coaching me and he had a you know careful plan mapped out to get me up to marathons eventually um within a year i'll basically continue running anywhere between a 100 and 140 kilometers per week but when i get into that marathon specific phase about three months before a marathon i i up that um mileage a bit more and really um i guess place emphasis on the sunday long run

00:28:23Melissa Erbacher: Okay, and a couple of months ago you actually sustained an injury to your foot. How has that impacted the way you've trained for Rio?

00:28:32Jessica Trengove: Yeah, look, obviously it wasn't part of the plan but we've been able to manage training and adapt things so that I basically was cross-training for a lot of that period up in Flagstaff. Fortunately, Riley Cox, my team-mate who was there, was also doing some cross-training so we hit the gym together and pushed ourselves and I think I had about a few weeks completely off running and then I gradually built running back into the program So certainly I relied on cross training for a lot of my cardiovascular fitness and then I've had to focus on strengthening my lower limbs and conditioning them for the 42.195 kilometers. So the last few months have gone as planned and I'm looking forward to another three weeks of really consolidating that training prior to the race.

00:29:26Melissa Erbacher: How do you do with nutrition, Jess? Because I can't keep food down and I hate gels and, you know, you've got to run really fast. That's got to chew through the stuff that your body needs to fuel you for that. How do you deal with that?

00:29:40Jessica Trengove: Yeah, look, you do need a lot of energy to sustain yourself for the entire run. My sports dietitian, Olivia Warnes, from the South Australian Sports Institute, puts together a really thorough plan for me leading into race day. So that starts on the Thursday night for a Sunday morning race where I'm really focusing on getting a lot of carbohydrates and the appropriate hydration levels. fluids in prior to the morning of the race. I will tend to have a breakfast on race morning but that's something I've always done before races and it doesn't bother me too much so certainly I wouldn't have anything too heavy but maybe some toast and a banana and and some other little snacks. And then during the race, I have the gels. But I have tweaked which gels I use over the years to find one that I can stomach or four that I can stomach throughout the race because... Yeah, they're pretty artificial and it's hard to tolerate them after a couple and especially when you're having a lot of electrolytes as well in your fluids.

00:30:53Melissa Erbacher: That's another thing which is a little bit of a skill is taking in fluids while you're running. I don't run fast so I can't imagine what your body's doing when you're trying to chug down water and electrolytes.

00:31:07Jessica Trengove: Yeah, well, there's the opportunity to have a drink at every five kilometres and so I guess I don't try to take on too much in one, I guess... about I'll hold on to my water bottle and have a few sips and then I might hold my water bottle for another couple hundred meters, have a few more sips and then throw it to the side. But I guess I really focus on getting a bit in early on in the race. So it's sort of the 10 kilometer, 15 kilometer, 20 kilometer marks so that I'm not reliant on it later in the race when sometimes you just don't have the energy to reach for your water bottle. Yeah.

00:31:46Melissa Erbacher: You were also representing Australia at the 2014 Commonwealth Games in Glasgow and you had a podium finish for that one. What did that feel like?

00:32:00Jessica Trengove: It was an amazing moment. I loved everything about the Glasgow Commonwealth Games. I guess I'd had some injury travels leading into that race as well, similar to what I've had recently. I went into the race with a lot of unknowns. I didn't know if my body was ready for what it had coming. My coach and I had a plan and I really trusted what Adam had said to me and we stuck to that plan and it all just sort of fell into place. I was quite happy where I got myself to in fourth place and when I saw the girl in third slowing with about... I don't know, four kilometers to go. I just suddenly had a bronze medal flash into my head and I didn't feel as much pain anymore, to be honest. I just was so excited. And those finishing moments coming down the final straight were moments that I'll cherish forever. So I was really happy with that race, but I think it was more rewarding and satisfying because of the challenges I'd had in the lead up and, you know, having my parents there and my brother and other friends, um,

00:33:12Melissa Erbacher: out there supporting me on course two made it extra special I actually watched you run that event live we had awesome live coverage here in Australia at the time and you had the most magic smile on your face like you just made it look effortless and I thought wow she is really really enjoying herself and that was wonderful to witness I have to say

00:33:37Jessica Trengove: Yeah, on the final straight when you know that you're going to get to the finish line, it's really exciting. And I'd seen a teammate, Eloise Wellings, probably just before I turned the corner onto that final straight, and to see her face and watch her sort of fist pumping really fired me up. So I think that was what caused the big smile down the home straight.

00:34:01Scott Trickett: Now, how does a Commonwealth Games bronze medal compare to a first finish at Mount Gambier parkrun?

00:34:08Jessica Trengove: Well, that was special, that parkrun in Mount Gambier. I'd actually gone down there for a talk the night before and I hadn't planned on doing the parkrun. I just don't even think I was aware of it. And one of the... And the men in the audience said that he was doing it the next morning and I thought that could work in really well with my session. So I called my coach and he said, yeah, go for it. So I got up that morning and just a short warm-up to the Blue Lake and I loved it. It was a tough course but a fantastic sort of community and atmosphere out there.

00:34:49Scott Trickett: It is a tough course.

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00:34:51Scott Trickett: You did a 17.58. Is that you pushing it or is that just a cruise?

00:35:00Jessica Trengove: I've got a feeling I was just getting back after the Commonwealth Games. I was sort of getting back into some tempo runs. So I think I was probably using that. It was a bit of a tempo threshold run, but certainly I remember it was hard work with some of those hills and it was a nice, cool, foggy morning.

00:35:24Scott Trickett: It's not the only parkrun you've done. You've done a few in your hometown at Torrens and also out at Rhodes. Do you enjoy the parkrun experience?

00:35:33Jessica Trengove: Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I've done a few at the Torrens and I've loved every single one. We often will have a few members of the Team Tempo group get together and everyone is just so friendly out there. There's always a couple of little Jack Russells doing the run as well. And the last one I did a few weeks ago was going in the other direction. So that was Great to experience a new course as well along the river. And I hear there's one now at West Beach in Adelaide, so I'd love to try that one. It's just a really nice way to get a good hit out and just in a really friendly but still competitive environment.

00:36:15Melissa Erbacher: And speaking of running events, you're also involved with the Kangaroo Island Marathon.

00:36:20Jessica Trengove: Yes. Yeah, I headed to Kangaroo Island a few months ago now to check out the course and, yeah, certainly I want to put that one on the list for one day. It looks really challenging but just so picturesque. You sort of run along this cliff coastline with the remarkable rocks up ahead and apparently it can be, you know, pretty chilly there and I think it would just be such a satisfying marathon to finish. So, yeah. Yeah. I'm looking forward to hopefully ticking that one off one day.

00:36:53Scott Trickett: Are there lots of kangaroos on Kangaroo Island?

00:36:56Jessica Trengove: Yeah, there are. There are a lot. I had some photos taken in one of the parks and, yeah, we would have seen over 12, I'd say, roos while we were there and quite friendly roos. We could get within a few metres of them, so yeah. Certainly, you've got to be careful. They can be aggressive, but I think it gets its name from the large number of kangaroos that actually live on the island.

00:37:23Melissa Erbacher: You are a woman of many talents, Jess. This is something that particularly interests me because it hadn't really occurred to me until I started upping mileage when I was going to do my first marathon. What type of undies do you wear running?

00:37:42Jessica Trengove: Well, these days I wear undies. So in 2012, I went to the US with my sister. I bought a whole lot of the same underwear that I just fell in love with for running. They just became my token favorite running underwear. And in the years to follow, I really tried to find them and just haven't been able to find the same ones out there. So early last year... I said, oh, I just don't know, you know, how I'm going to find undies that are quite the same. And the idea kind of popped into my head and my partner was excited by the thought too of actually, you know, designing and getting our own line of underwear made. And at a similar time I'd seen my brother Jack, who plays football in Melbourne, he had a whole lot of Speedos on the drying rack. I said, why are you doing all this swimming? He's like, no, no, they're my match day clothes. match day underwear and so we sort of thought well maybe we could try and you know come up with something that's appropriate for just sports people in general and so Jack put his I guess ideas forward as well as to what underwear would be appropriate for footballers and yeah put our heads together and my boyfriend Dylan with his sort of engineering background was really good at putting together the design aspects and I've enjoyed more just the marketing and the art art side of it and uh that's our little business now and this is a money question for you because I really can't stand it when I get a wedgie while I'm running do your rundies do that Look, it's all about the fit. So if you get the right size, I think it's fantastic, particularly when you actually start exercising and build up a bit of a sweat. I don't find that they move at all once I'm out there running around and I just particularly like the material. It's... I guess it's got a bit of a sheen to it, a little bit more like bather's material and it dries quickly after the workout because often we'll go and get coffee after a run and you don't want to be sitting in wet underwear. So they're probably my favourite features.

00:40:05Melissa Erbacher: wonderful yes i actually asked this question to a whole bunch of parkrunners on saturday morning to to see what underwear they preferred when they were running and um it it generated a lot of conversation actually and there was a lot of different variety in terms of what people replied so i'm keen to try yours out i will have to buy at least one pair

00:40:29Jessica Trengove: Well, it's something we put out our first design and we're really open to feedback and we'd love to, you know, bring in a new style eventually and then some coloured styles. We've just started very small. So if you've got any feedback or advice, we'd love to hear it because certainly we want to try and perfect the running underwear as well because it can just be a distraction that you don't need having bad underwear. Agreed. Yeah.

00:40:56Scott Trickett: I asked a similar question to the ladies as well. Didn't go as well, but you make them for blokes as well, so blokes can get run down.

00:41:05Jessica Trengove: We do, yes. Great. Yes, and they're both so they're – we see different styles, but they've both got the bamboo fabric and the – the crotch area or the gusset, they call it. And that's a really soft feel and nice as well. So it is funny because they look very similar. So some couples who have bought pairs sort of get them mixed up and you need to put your initials on them.

00:41:32Melissa Erbacher: My husband has been known to run in my shorts when he took the wrong shorts to work with him for a run after a long day. And he decided to try them on anyway when he realized and he didn't go without his run. But I won't let him live that one down. And now everybody in podcast land knows about it.

00:41:52Jessica Trengove: We'll be loving you for that.

00:41:54Scott Trickett: There's nothing wrong with men running in women's shorts. I've done it. All the cool guys are doing it. Jess, I'm going to go out and hunt down some rundies. Thanks for coming on our podcast. And super good luck in Rio. We're going to be watching with extra special attention now.

00:42:14Jessica Trengove: Thank you. We'll have to see if there's a Rio parkrun because we obviously did the Pollock parkrun in Glasgow after the Commonwealth Games. Mossy and Robbo, they got a group together. So I don't know whether there's a Copacabana parkrun, but we'll look it up. You might just have to do a pop-up parkrun.

00:42:31Scott Trickett: Yeah, there's not an official one, but I know Robbo is keen on getting a pop-up parkrun on the beach.

00:42:38Melissa Erbacher: Oh, yeah?

00:42:39Scott Trickett: Yeah. So that's going to happen.

00:42:40Melissa Erbacher: Sounds good.

00:42:41Scott Trickett: Make sure you look out for it.

00:42:42Melissa Erbacher: Save some of your energy in the marathon for that. Okay.

00:42:46Jessica Trengove: I'll be sure to do that.

00:42:52Scott Trickett: Good luck, Jess. Thanks for coming on.

00:42:54Jessica Trengove: Thank you very much.

Rundies market research (undies vox pop)

00:43:06Scott Trickett: Jess was great. Real treat getting an opportunity to speak to her before she heads off to Rio. During the interview, we touched on her rundies range. And so when we knew we were going to interview Jess, we thought we'd go out and do some market research for her. Just help her out, give her range a bit of a kick along. So Mel, you went out and asked a few people some questions.

00:43:32Melissa Erbacher: I did. I was a little bit too afraid to ask the gentlemen parkrunners this particular question because I... don't honestly want to know the answer. However, I managed to grab some of the local ladies.

00:43:47[crosstalk]

00:43:47Unidentified speaker: What kind of undies do you wear when you're running? I wear a jean because I'm vain.

00:43:53Jules: Preferably ones without holes in them.

00:43:55Unidentified speaker: With what? I don't wear any when I'm wearing these things.

00:43:59Jules: Just normal ones.

00:44:02Unidentified speaker: Ones that don't show that they don't know. For you. Tights. One that doesn't ask for you. No? No?

00:44:13Melissa Erbacher: Just bonds like that.

00:44:17Unidentified speaker: Bond briefs.

00:44:18Melissa Erbacher: Normal ones.

00:44:18Unidentified speaker: Black like a thong. Blue lacy. Clean ones.

00:44:34Melissa Ellis: Black boy leg bonds.

00:44:37Unidentified speaker: Commando. G-string every time. Always G-string.

00:44:44Melissa Erbacher: Full brief.

00:44:46Scott Trickett: I also had a go at doing it. Do you want to see how that went?

00:44:51Melissa Erbacher: Do you need me to say yes?

00:44:52Scott Trickett: Okay, I'm going to give this a crack. Mel said it would be a good idea. So, excuse me, can you tell me what sort of undies do you run in?

00:45:02Unidentified speaker: Excuse me. Just get away from me, creep.

00:45:08William Barlow: Okay.

00:45:13Melissa Erbacher: Nice one, Scotty. Maybe you should leave those sorts of questions to me in the future.

00:45:19Scott Trickett: Pro tip. Stopped it after one. So I learnt my lesson early. A couple of eps back, we did some reverse freedom runs. We asked you to send in your version of a reverse freedom. We got some, which made us very happy.

Reverse freedom runs (listener challenge playback)

00:45:42Melissa Erbacher: We didn't got some from some places that didn't make us happy.

00:45:46Scott Trickett: Wow.

00:45:47Melissa Erbacher: Queensland. Seriously, high and dry is where I am. Nobody has come to the party from Queensland. I feel very alone and sad and underrepresented.

00:46:03Scott Trickett: Well, they're the facts. I can't argue with the facts. We had four. Let's have a listen. So let's start. Let's start at Gels. Take it away, Ross.

00:46:15Ross Pentland: This is Ross Pentland for the parkrun Adventurers podcast at Gels parkrun in inner east Melbourne. Just running the course in reverse, which will be interesting. It's currently 10 past 7 and about 5 degrees, which in the middle of winter is what you'd expect. It is interesting that it's currently foggy, so that adds a challenge to the visibility. I'm just going to do one lap easy. So I'm just setting off on an easy pace, mostly downhill at this point. I've just had to pause for a minute just to double check which way I'm supposed to be going. I guess that's the main challenge with doing your course reverse is that it's the same sort of area but everything looks different and it's trying to work out where you're supposed to go. I think I'll turn right here. Uh, this could be a little longer than two and a half k's, it turns out. Uh, this is just a check-in. Nope, it turns out it wasn't right, and I think I might have just gone the wrong way completely. Uh, it's been a couple months since I've been at Gels Park, and it's, uh, yeah, the, uh, the fog isn't really helping that much. So I'll just give a quick overview of Giles Park while I'm trying to recalibrate my sense of direction. So Giles parkrun has, in Melbourne, boasts the most elevation out of all the parkruns in Melbourne. It's quite hilly. It's a course I would describe as being net uphill. So I think, according to Strava, it boasts something like 70 metres of elevation. It's a net uphill course, so it's a sharp down and a sharp up, but I think if you're going the correct way, the normal way, the uphill goes for longer than the downhill. Okay, I think I'm seeing where I'm supposed to go, so I'll just get back on track. Alright, so back on the right track, I've gone about halfway through the lap. I've done all the downhill, which is normally all the uphill, on the regular direction. And I'm going up the hill now, and just to illustrate how cold and foggy it is this morning, you can't actually, I've just, from the bottom, you actually can't see the top of it. There's another runner off in the distance, baiting away. Listeners may hear the buzzing noise. That's the power lines under which we go. And, uh... Yeah, it would be interesting to see Giles do a full, commit to a full parkrun in reverse. It'd be interesting to see what effect that would have on the times. What would be regarded as a net downhill course, but then having to go up this sharp hill twice. So I just completed one reverse lap of the Gels parkrun course but unfortunately when I paused to get my bearings I forgot to... I committed the carnal sin of pausing my watch and not starting it again so unfortunately when I upload this to Strava it'll look a bit wonky which is disappointing because I would have liked to see the what the elevation count for one reverse lap would have looked like but uh yeah it's interesting so obviously with the reverse lap the main challenge was um even though i'm in a familiar setting it was look the course is totally different um elevation wise you're going you're spending the majority of the time actually going downhill uh as opposed to up but uh Yeah, it'd be one of those things I'd like to see a course, a Jells parkrun course done in reverse. I actually wouldn't know if it would make it necessarily easier or harder, because the start and finish area is at the top of the hill. So, yeah, it would still have that sort of similar valley-esque quality to it. Achieve what I'm meant to do, so... Yeah, I had a nice experience getting an easy run in and now I'm ready to volunteer. This is Ross Pentland for the parkrun Adventurers signing off.

00:48:57[other]

00:50:50Melissa Ellis: Hello, this is parkrun Adventurer Melissa and I've got Paul with me. Say hi.

00:50:55Unidentified speaker: Hi.

00:50:56Melissa Ellis: We are from Berwick Springs but we're down in Portland this morning running our furthest event not yet done in Victoria. And we've got beautiful weather here in Portland. It's a clear morning, it's not too cold, there's no puddles to jump over, so we've decided to do their course in reverse. Now Portland's an out and back, so we've run parkrun, then we've walked back to the turnaround point to start again, and do the parkrun in reverse, which has worked well. We're taking it a bit easier because we went hard at parkrun. And what position did you come today, Paul? First. He's pretty happy about that. So a successful day, morning down here at parkrun Portland. See ya.

00:51:49Unidentified speaker: 34, 35.

00:51:54William Barlow: Hey, here comes Brad. Finishing his 100th run. 100th runner! all right William Barlow heading back out just finished Jindera parkrun 20 minutes 18 seconds hey Will pushing Penny in the pram hey Penny's not enjoying the sun in her eyes i don't know how long this will last go parkrunners Alright, we're in the shade now, Penny. Alright, I'm going to change the challenge a little bit. I'm running in reverse. That stays the same. But I'm only going to run to my daughter, who's five years old and still coming in. Alright, I've reached the road. Now, Junandera parkrun is quite unique. and that's probably one of the only parkruns that has an actual road in it with cars on it but there's not very many cars I didn't see one today the good thing about the road in reverse is the road is actually uphill when you're running normally it's a long boring uphill struggle now I can see Anthony doing his second lap with the pram first lap without the pram See you surf PB, 46 minutes. Anthony, yeah. All right, we're coming up to Mark, who's our right turn marshal for today. Hopefully he's going to point me left, because I'm doing this in reverse. Point me left. Left, please. Left.

00:53:56Unidentified speaker: Left.

00:53:58William Barlow: Coming up to Rupert and Hamish. Come on, Rupert. Hey, Hamish. Hamish is a big black dog with the biggest tongue I've ever seen. Alright, we see April! April! Come on, April! Are you ready? I'm gonna race you to the finish, okay? Ready, set, go! Okay, we've just seen April and I've decided I will follow the rules of the challenge and run the whole thing in reverse, dammit. Hopefully that'll make her run a bit faster to try and catch me. Here's the tail runner. The tail runner has a little scruffy dock. Go April! We've finally caught April. We're running into the finish. We've got 800 metres to go April. I've nearly run the whole way. Yeah, you're doing well. Can we see the finish yet? Can we see the finish?

00:55:04Unidentified speaker: Yes. Let's go.

00:55:07William Barlow: Okay, we're having a walking break now, April, aren't we?

00:55:09Unidentified speaker: Yeah.

00:55:11William Barlow: How long are we going to walk for?

00:55:14Unidentified speaker: 20 seconds.

00:55:17William Barlow: Go, April! Around that corner is the finish line. Come on, April!

00:55:26Unidentified speaker: Push, push! Yeah! Well done!

00:55:32William Barlow: Well, I did it. I ran one parkrun forwards and then One parkrun Jinundera in reverse and it was an amazing Canberra morning. It started off four degrees, foggy, very, very foggy and then just as we got to parkrun the fog lifted and the sun came out and it was absolutely beautiful. Enjoy.

00:55:51Jules: Hi, I'm Tegan. And I'm Jules. And it was our idea to challenge you guys to a reverse parkrun. So we didn't think it was fair that we didn't have to do it ourselves. So we're currently sitting in the Gels Pavilion, the start point of the Gels parkrun in Victoria. And we've just completed Gels in reverse. I also did Parkville this morning, so I am definitely feeling it.

00:56:14Tegan: and I did Coburg for the first time this morning, and Gells is my home run, so I was very nervous about doing Gells backwards, mostly because of Scotchman's Creek Trail, which people who've run Gells will know as the nice big downhill part. So I can now happily say that my fears were completely justified, but I conquered that hill twice. Jules did parkrun here at Gells for the first time three weeks ago, so how do you think it compares doing it backwards?

00:56:44Jules: I didn't, because it was only my second time here, I didn't really know where I was going. So I was following you, so I didn't know where the top of the hill was. So I thought it was actually easier than my brain, as far as I could see. Then we just turned right, and then I was like, yes, it's down here from here to go to the start. But yeah, we did it, and it's definitely breakfast time.

00:57:07Tegan: It's definitely breakfast time. And as a Zoolander, I have to say, technically it is easier in reverse because there are much more right turns. And as we all know, Zoolanders aren't very good at turning left. Have a great day, parkrun adventurers. Enjoy your running. Bye.

00:57:21Scott Trickett: We started at Gels. We finished at Gels. Three out of four from Victoria.

00:57:27Melissa Erbacher: And how awesome were those reverse freedom runs? Like seriously.

00:57:32Scott Trickett: They all sound like they're having a good time.

00:57:34Melissa Erbacher: I don't know. Queenslanders. They're just missing out. So are the West Australians for that matter.

00:57:41Scott Trickett: South Australians and New South Welshmen as well.

00:57:46Melissa Erbacher: Let's see if we can't get some of you a little bit more excited about future challenges.

Social Adventurers (Instagram and Facebook round-up)

00:57:52Scott Trickett: People are still excited about Instagram. Mama of Hope, she visited Coburg parkrun and she rates it.

00:58:00Melissa Erbacher: Yeah, I saw those pics. She had a great time at Coburg on the weekend. Recreating Mel said, hashtag parkrunadventures at Laylaw this morning. A beautiful crisp sunny morning for a PB. Congratulations, Recreating Mel. PBs are few and far between in my experience, so well done you.

00:58:20Scott Trickett: Coburg Laylaw, both from Victoria. Finding my balance was out parkrun tourism. see it doesn't work just ladies parkrun adventuring with her mates cuvera and hayley jane at meadowbrook parkrun they went to launch gorgeous morning wonderful atmosphere and a beautiful course and cuvera also posted on instagram and said don't count the sessions make the sessions count i love that saying hey tj who we just heard from who is it gels but This weekend she had a beautiful parkrun, another beautiful parkrun, when they went over to Altona Beach parkrun.

00:59:05Melissa Erbacher: Nod Lightyear was out there, parkrun time to fly, doing another awesome jump shot at Westerfolds on the weekend. I'm no good at the jump shots. I just don't think I can get enough air or maybe my timing is wrong. It's just something missing.

00:59:24Scott Trickett: It's not my specialty either. It's a skill, there's no doubt about it. I think the skill is getting in communication with the photographer a long way out. You need to make the eye contact.

00:59:38Melissa Erbacher: Let them know you're going to go for it.

00:59:40Scott Trickett: Yeah.

00:59:42Melissa Erbacher: Not just get that awkward shot where you look like you're squatting and looking at the ground.

00:59:49Scott Trickett: Or where it's the shot before you've actually left the ground. So you're in jump pose, but you're actually still attached to the ground. I've done a couple of those.

01:00:05Melissa Erbacher: Oh dear. Maybe we need to study Vanessa Gibson's video about how to do the perfect jump shot and see if we can't get out there and get one happening at some point in the not too distant future.

01:00:18Scott Trickett: Google that. Where will we find that? Sandgate? Sandgate Facebook page. You'll probably find that video. It's a good one. Will B, 1981. He had an easy run at Burley Griffin parkrun. But Penny got very upset with the sun in her eyes and then just couldn't get over it and cried until her sister finished. Well, come on, Penny. Don't spoil it for everyone.

01:00:43Melissa Erbacher: She's a tiny girl. Leave her alone. I hate it when I get sun in my eyes. I chuck a tantrum if I've forgotten my sunglasses.

01:00:52Scott Trickett: Sorry, Penny, just having fun at your expense.

01:00:55Melissa Erbacher: Jen P. said it was a family affair with my cousins and parkrun touring slash adventuring today at Parkville parkrun and a bonus PB for her. Congratulations, Jen.

01:01:08Scott Trickett: Our guests from last week, the Run Beyond Project, they Instagrammed their girls at Evans High. were presented with certificates during their school assembly today for their run at the Ponds parkrun during the school holidays. Well done, girls.

01:01:24Melissa Erbacher: parkrun underscore hearts reposted at Macalicious 21 at Lilydale Lake parkrun. I don't know if you guys have seen these, but it must be one of those photo apps where you can take a photograph of something and invert it so that it's the mirror image. And people have been doing this, specifically parkrun underscore hearts, has been taking photos of the parkrun flags and then flipping them, cutting them and flipping them so that they're the mirror image and make a love heart shape. So that's pretty cool. Over to Facebook and we've had some Updates on the Compass Club in the past couple of weeks. Peter Pohlman, actually, in response to the original question I posed about what we should call people who enter the Compass Club after they have done all four points of the Or travellers? So these are all excellent suggestions. More recently, we had Nicholas J. Sando suggest navigators. And I've posed the question to Christine, who is my partner in crime in creating the Compass Club. And Chris and I are both on board with navigators.

Compass Club

01:02:59Scott Trickett: Myred McDougall. She was at Aberdeen parkrun in Scotland with former Shepparton parkrunner Roe Frankel this week.

01:03:07Melissa Erbacher: Mark Caldercourt was at Bushy Park and shared a video with us this week. And this was a very special video.

01:03:16Scott Trickett: Did you watch it?

01:03:18Melissa Erbacher: Of course I watched it. That's how I know it's special. He took footage of the deer at Bushy Park just for Scotty. You guys should stop by our Facebook page and check it out because it's very sweet.

01:03:31Scott Trickett: But he mentioned that he was worried about being charged. Like, is that a thing as well? Maybe I'm not so excited to see the deer anymore.

01:03:39Melissa Erbacher: Gee, you're a figgle.

01:03:41Scott Trickett: And Michael Scott gave us a review on our last episode. Nice work, Mel and Scott. Excellent interview with Shelley Coutts. We agree. And a great story on a kids development program. He was also intrigued by another club to join as an adventurer with the Compass Club.

01:03:58Melissa Erbacher: Brendan Scholarly checked in and told us that he was going to be listening to the last episode whilst driving to work at 4am. And now this got me to thinking, and I have a question for all you listeners out there. where is the weirdest place and or time that you've listened to the podcast? Because I want to know. But, you know, I think there are some interesting places in the world that people could listen to podcasts. I want to hear if they've been out on their trampoline while they listen to the podcast or, you know, all sorts of random places.

Weirdest place you've listened to the podcast (listener question)

01:04:39Scott Trickett: Melissa Ellis enjoyed the beautiful weather at Maribyrnong parkrun's 100th event with a bunch of Berwick Springs adventurers. It was such a lovely run that Hubby and I decided to add on our long run afterwards. Plenty of track to run around Maribyrnong, so good idea Melissa and Hubby. We've got a couple of launches coming up this week. We've got one in New South Wales. Bathurst is ready to launch. And I'm told it's not around Mount Panorama. Is that the course?

Launches and anniversaries

01:05:14Melissa Erbacher: That's, you mean of where the race car drivers go?

01:05:17Scott Trickett: Panorama?

01:05:18Melissa Erbacher: Yeah, I think so. Okay.

01:05:21Scott Trickett: And Weipa in Queensland are also launching.

01:05:26Melissa Erbacher: Next week we're not actually going to be here. So we're going to let you know that next week there's going to be a launch at Christie's Beach in South Australia.

01:05:37Scott Trickett: What do you mean we're not going to be here?

01:05:39Melissa Erbacher: We talked about this, Scotty. We did, you and I. Next week we're going to have a week off.

01:05:47Scott Trickett: Or are we?

01:05:49Melissa Erbacher: Upcoming anniversaries. We've got Coomera in Queensland celebrating their fourth with crazy hair.

01:05:57Scott Trickett: Maryborough are having their first anniversary and they're celebrating with Christmas in July. And if I'm not mistaken, Mel, you're on your way there.

01:06:08Melissa Erbacher: I certainly will be, yes. So now the important decision must be made. Do I go as Santa or an elf? And next week there are no anniversaries. The next week that I bring up because we won't be here. Okay, so now that we've got you all used to the idea that next week we're not going to be here, We can tell you that next week we're not going to be here because we're going to have a little mid-year holiday.

01:06:40Scott Trickett: Just a quick refresher.

01:06:42Melissa Erbacher: Don't look for us. Don't look for our podcast, number 30, next week because it's not going to be there. It's going to be there in the first week of August.

01:06:54Scott Trickett: Give those who have fallen behind an extra week to catch up. So that's it for this week. What are you going to do next week, Mel? You're going to have all this free time on your hands.

01:07:05Melissa Erbacher: I might try to remember what I used to do before the parkrun Adventurers podcast.

01:07:12Scott Trickett: One thing before we go, Mel. I do have to thank you.

01:07:16Melissa Erbacher: What for, Scotty?

01:07:18Scott Trickett: You gave me the hot tip that Cadbury have released a special edition. And I went out and purchased some of the tropical pineapple chocolate.

01:07:31Melissa Erbacher: Oh, yum. Is it not the best of all the snack chocolate varieties?

01:07:39Scott Trickett: That's a big call. I think there's a bit of Queensland bias coming out of you there, but it is in the top three.

01:07:47Melissa Erbacher: Well, what would possibly trump it?

01:07:50Scott Trickett: I'm partial to the orange.

01:07:52Melissa Erbacher: Orange?

01:07:54Unidentified speaker: Eh.

01:07:56Scott Trickett: And? And I don't mind the strawberry either out of the snack.

01:08:03Melissa Erbacher: Those are weak imitations. You need the vibrance of the pineapple. The only way I love this new bar and in fact every time I go shopping I buy another one just because I know it's going to be limited edition and it's been about five years I think since they've had this released. The only way they could possibly make this block of chocolate any better would be if they put the individual pieces of chocolate in the shape of the pineapples like they've got them on the snack.

01:08:38Scott Trickett: I was going to say, that's the cool part about the snack. And does it really taste like pineapple, is my other question. I'm not denying its deliciousness, but is it pineapple-flavoured deliciousness?

01:08:48Melissa Erbacher: There's definitely a tropical pineapple-y flavour to it. I mean, it wouldn't be proper pineapple because that would just be crazy.