Episode 66

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00:00:08Melissa Erbacher: And it's episode 66 coming at you of the parkrun Adventurers. Just think, Scotty, we're only 600 episodes away from scoring the devil's number.

00:00:20Scott Trickett: The devil is in the detail, Mel. Well done.

00:00:23Melissa Erbacher: And however many years it's going to take for us to get there, who knows? But, you know.

00:00:29Scott Trickett: Look, I love doing the podcast.

00:00:32Melissa Erbacher: You don't think we're going to make it to 666?

00:00:34Scott Trickett: I'm sorry, we're not. No.

00:00:38Melissa Erbacher: You don't have that kind of faith in us?

00:00:40Scott Trickett: Sorry. That's a long time. And, yeah.

00:00:46Melissa Erbacher: Yeah, that's like 50 years, isn't it? No. I hope not. Okay. This is going to end really badly if I try to do the maths again. So let's talk about the weekend, shall we?

00:00:58Scott Trickett: Yeah, that's better. 13 years, maybe.

00:01:01Melissa Erbacher: Okay. Well, I will get a calculator out later and, you know, figure it out. I'm not sure I believe you on 13 years.

00:01:09Scott Trickett: Well, in 13 years' time, my daughter's going to be 21. Wow. And let me tell you, doing set-up with a 21-year-old, I don't reckon it'd be as much fun as doing parkrun set-up with an 8-year-old.

00:01:23Melissa Erbacher: How did it go?

00:01:26Scott Trickett: The biggest challenge was getting up earlier because... As we've discovered, Saturday has now become one of my daughter's least favorite days.

00:01:36Melissa Erbacher: For waking up?

00:01:37Scott Trickett: Because she has to get up earlier. She has to get up earlier than she does when she goes to school.

00:01:43Melissa Erbacher: Okay.

00:01:44Scott Trickett: And so when we had to do it an extra hour earlier, it wasn't a good start. But it got better. Because remember on last week's show, I said there are no shortcuts?

00:01:54Melissa Erbacher: Yes.

00:01:54Scott Trickett: Well, I didn't listen to my own advice. And we tried to devise shortcuts. We tried to figure out ways to get around the course in the quickest amount of time, which involved the least amount of walking. But it didn't work. So we were a mess. We went to all different points of the park trying to place the signs. To make it quicker. To make it quicker. It took longer. Kasia was on her scooter. And, yeah, it just took longer. And at the end of it, we all agreed that if we just started at the start, Walked the course, put the signs around and finished at the finish. We probably would have been finished probably about 20 minutes earlier.

00:02:36Melissa Erbacher: Oh, well, you have to try these things sometime to figure out that they're not going to work.

00:02:41Scott Trickett: But it was good fun. So I experienced my first ever Kids Takeover parkrun. And, yeah, I can see why a lot of events do it and love doing it because... There's something about seeing an eight-year-old stand up in front of 150 to 200 people and just have supreme confidence to deliver the pre-run briefing, even though she had it prepared, she was reading off the script, that she had worked out herself. I just thought it was fantastic.

00:03:14Melissa Erbacher: That's awesome. How many kids were there all together?

00:03:17Scott Trickett: I'd say probably about eight to ten. So they filled all the positions with parents hovering around the whole time. But the parents didn't need to be there. Westerfold's kids are pretty switched on. And the event ran very smoothly. It was good fun. It was a great morning. Awesome. Wetted an appetite. I know it's quite different, but Junior parkrun, it's coming to Australia very soon. It's going to be hugely successful. Well, I certainly hope so. But it's going to be something different as well. We're bringing the parkrun concept to kids that they may have experienced little athletics, they may have experienced sport, cross-country, running at school. but I just think the junior parkrun and the parkrun model is different because it allows stuff like this. It allows kids to take charge that perhaps they wouldn't have got the chance at school or in the other things that I mentioned.

00:04:18Melissa Erbacher: And non-competitive as well.

00:04:20Scott Trickett: Exactly.

00:04:21Melissa Erbacher: It takes the pressure off participation.

00:04:25Scott Trickett: And it opens up the world to these kids that you may not have ever thought. Like our run director on Saturday, She'd just turned eight and it was her birthday present to be run director. So she loves parkrun that much at eight. One of her requests was, can she be run director? And I thought that was pretty remarkable and kind of cute at the same time.

00:04:49Melissa Erbacher: That's very sweet. And the kids are usually all over the roles. They are so focused and they're great, especially at the technology ones like the scanning and the stopwatch. They're on to it.

00:05:00Scott Trickett: Absolutely. Absolutely. That's what I said. Everything ran smoothly. Went up to get my barcode scanned and they knew what they were doing. It was great.

00:05:10Melissa Erbacher: Well, well done to all the kids who took over the roles at Westerfolds on the weekend. There was a new event launching in Queensland where people were doing the roles for the very first time as well. I understand that all went smoothly and excitingly. It is the first E in Australia. It's Emerald, for those of you who don't know it. I'm told that it is home of the world's biggest easel with a Van Gogh picture on it. So if you didn't want to go to Emerald just for parkrun, that sounds to me like a pretty big drawcard.

00:05:46Scott Trickett: That's pretty random. What's the connection?

00:05:50Melissa Erbacher: I've got no idea. I literally have no idea why. The world's biggest easel with a Van Gogh picture is in Emerald.

00:05:58Scott Trickett: I can't imagine he ever visited Emerald. Did he ever paint?

00:06:05Melissa Erbacher: No. I'm not even sure he was alive when Emerald was founded, to be honest.

00:06:11Scott Trickett: He probably wasn't. My art history is not great, as well as my geography and maths. Well, on that, where is Emerald?

00:06:20Melissa Erbacher: It's in Queensland.

00:06:20Scott Trickett: I knew that much. It's north. How far north?

00:06:25Melissa Erbacher: A bit west. Well, from Brisbane, it's up in the hundreds and hundreds of kilometres north. So let's say between 800 and 900 kilometres north of Brisbane. That's without looking at Google Maps. That's my rough guesstimation. I'm sure I'll be corrected by half a dozen adventurers before next week's episode comes out. So I can... Let's say record my apologies next week for getting it wrong.

00:06:52Scott Trickett: Well, that's kind of why I did it, to set you up for that. But we had some roving reports. So roving reports are all the rage these days.

Roving Adventurers (roving reporter crossovers)

00:07:02Melissa Erbacher: They are, and we love getting them. So keep them coming, people.

00:07:06Scott Trickett: So let's have a listen. Who have we got?

00:07:09Melissa Erbacher: Well, we have got roving reports from our friend Dave Moss, who was there last week. when I say there last week. He did roving reports for us last week as well. It was last week, wasn't it?

00:07:22Scott Trickett: No, it was two weeks ago. He was with Phil, our egg man at Sanger.

00:07:28Melissa Erbacher: Yes, yes. And we've also got roving reports from Dylan, Riley and Tara who have previously been roving reporters for us on the podcast as well.

00:07:40David Moss: Great. Take it away. Hello, I'm with Donna at the Emerald parkrun course. We've just had the first run. And Donna, how would you describe the course?

00:07:50Donna: Oh, the course was undulating. It was tough. The arrows were great to guide us in the right direction because it wasn't the most, it's not an out-and-back course. It's a loopy course. It's through the beautiful Botanic Gardens in Emerald, which was just amazing. It's a bit of a highlight in Emerald. Yeah, it's on trail only, so it was just fantastic.

00:08:09David Moss: It's great. There are more dogs here than I think I've seen at any other parkrun as well.

00:08:14Donna: I think I can probably count maybe at least a dozen dogs and a few prams too.

00:08:20David Moss: And everything I saw was well controlled down there. You're quite right about the loops on the courses. I think there are at least four loops going out there.

00:08:29Donna: Yes, there'd be the first initial loop through the beautiful rose garden. The roses are out at the moment too, which is lovely. And then there's a loop down along the river as well. There's the two loops down there and then the big loop right around through the bats, which was lovely too.

00:08:43David Moss: And there are about four bridge crossings.

00:08:45Donna: Yeah, and there's that little rickety bridge that you have to be careful on. That was a brilliant one. And they've made another bridge that's not so slippy anymore, so that was good.

00:08:55David Moss: And would you describe it as an easy course, hard course?

00:08:58Donna: I'd say that's up as one of the harder courses in Australia, to be honest.

00:09:02David Moss: I find it, yeah, I was expecting it to be a lot flatter than it was.

00:09:06Donna: Well, everyone thinks Emerald's flat, and it's not. I think we can, last weekend we had the triathlon here, and a lot of people came for the triathlon, and they said, we thought it was going to be an easy course. It's supposed to be flat, and it wasn't.

00:09:18David Moss: Thank you. Question, whereabouts do you think most of the runners are likely to come from who will be doing the course in future?

00:09:24Donna: Well, hopefully the locals will attend very regularly to make this work. But I think at the minute, I mean, we've got a lot of people. A lot of people have come from Blackwater today as well, which is just down the road. I've spoken to a few people who have come from there. Mainly the coast, I think. We might get a lot from Rocky. We had a lady from Hervey Bay. And I know a few people have come from Brisbane. Excellent. Being the first E in Australia, everyone likes to tick off the letters of the alphabet, so Emerald's the first E in Australia. I think we'll get a lot from, you know, your Blackwaters, your Longreachers, a lot more of the regional towns.

00:09:59David Moss: I believe you could well be right on that one. There's also... You might get a few grey nomads doing this as well.

00:10:05Donna: Well, that's true. The Botanic Gardens is the caravan park for grey nomads. So they have a 24-hour free camp spot, and that is very busy in the winter months here. So hopefully they come and join in.

00:10:17David Moss: I believe it does empty a bit when the tide comes up.

00:10:19Donna: Well, that's it. And there was a lady today, actually, I spoke to, and she was 70 and very impressed with the course. She said it was very hilly, but she was like, I'm a 70-year-old lady and I've done this. Ah, good on her.

00:10:29David Moss: So she'll be first in her age category.

00:10:32Donna: I think so, yes.

00:10:33David Moss: Okay. I saw there are a lot of people in green.

00:10:37Donna: Yes, we also have a big contingent of... We have another group in town that sort of started in the last year, Emerald Runners, which has created a lot of enthusiasm for running and fitness in the town. We've got a lot of people who are doing their first of everything this year, first tens, first halves, first triathlons. And Emerald Runners and Central Highland Triathlon Club have been big instigators for...

00:11:00David Moss: The Emerald Runners, I think they scored... almost all of the first positions.

00:11:04Donna: Yes, they did, I think, yes. I think we were top five at least. Very impressive. In their little tops, so that was very good.

00:11:12David Moss: And just out of interest, what other things might attract people to Emerald? It is a long way from the coast or from the nearest parkrun, which is Gladstone or Rocky?

00:11:22Donna: Rocky's our closest probably city, I guess. It's two and a half hours down the road. Emerald, I think Emerald is kind of a bit of a hub. It isn't a small town, even though it's not bigger than most, but we have everything here, so it's a bit of a service town.

00:11:38David Moss: It's surprisingly big. It was last year about 25 years ago and the place has grown tremendously.

00:11:43Donna: Yeah, and I think after the big boom of the mining and stuff, it's actually started to plateau out a little bit. So we had a big downturn, obviously, and a lot of people left town. But I think at the minute it's stabilised and there's a lot of people remaining in town and making it their home and people sort of living here and staying here now. It's not such a dead town as it was a little while ago, so I think it's really picked up, which is fantastic.

00:12:07David Moss: It's had its ups and downs.

00:12:08Donna: It certainly has, yeah, and I think that'll continue with the whole mining industry, but it's a very good town.

00:12:14David Moss: Hello, I'm still here at the Enwil parkrun and with Megan, one of the local councillors.

00:12:20Megan: Hi David, thank you very much for coming out today.

00:12:22David Moss: Oh look, we loved the course. The weather's been absolutely perfect. Looks like another blue sky day.

00:12:27Megan: Isn't it beautiful? And you've got to run today at the Emerald Botanic Gardens. So this is, we've got... 42 hectares here a beautiful parkland with lots of different running tracks so if you're traveling through this area please make sure you stop at the emerald botanic gardens and i'd like to welcome everyone to come out to the central highlands because not only do we have this beautiful running area but we've got lots of tourist attractions and national parks like carnarvon Gorge National Park, Blackdown Tablelands and if you're into gem fossicking there's wonderful areas at the Sapphire Gem Fields.

00:13:05David Moss: There are indeed, yes I've been to Anakie but I haven't been out to Sapphire or a few of the other places.

00:13:11Megan: Oh wonderful and for runners out there there's the Wetland Reserve at Sapphire which has some off-road trails that you can run through as well.

00:13:21David Moss: Actually, somebody told me this is one of the Emerald Botanical Gardens, one of the top seven, is it, in Queensland? Oh, gosh.

00:13:30Megan: There you go. Now you're telling me something, David. I'm glad to hear. I'd like to say it would be in the top seven of gardens or places to visit.

00:13:39David Moss: It is. It's very nice. We do thank the council for putting in money to help start up for the parkrun as well.

00:13:47Megan: Oh, that's no problem, David. So we have a... The Central Highlands Regional Council has a community development grant which people or community groups can apply for up to $5,000 and that's run twice a year. So to start parkrun, the Central Highlands Triathlon Club put in a grant and was successful to receive that funding from council. But in addition to that, we've had a lot of support from the Council's Parks and Recreation team in working with the Triathlon Club to develop a great course for the parkrunners.

00:14:24David Moss: And Megan, I see that you're wearing one of the volunteer outfits.

00:14:27Megan: Yes, I enjoy, I love running, but I also enjoy volunteering. So today I was a photographer.

00:14:34David Moss: So what, you'll usually be running?

00:14:37Megan: Yeah, I hope so. I've put up my hand to volunteer probably once a month. Then otherwise I'll be running. And I do enjoy getting to other parkruns. So when I'm down south or in other areas, I do pop into them.

00:14:53David Moss: Very good. And we hope to see you there.

00:14:54Megan: Thank you.

00:14:55David Moss: Thank you very much.

00:14:57Tara: Hi, I'm Tara and I'm at the Emerald parkrun Lodge and I'm with Shannon and Sophie. And how do you think about the course today? I've done the two trial runs and I find it a little bit challenging because it's up and down. Yeah. Quite hilly, but it's good. It's nice. How do you feel about the parkrun coming to this town? It's pretty exciting actually.

00:15:20Megan: I like that it's timed and I like that it's free.

00:15:24Tara: They are certainly positives, yes. And it's every weekend, so you've always got something that you can go to on a Saturday morning, so it's fantastic. Where are you from? Originally from Yeppoon but now live in Emerald and have for a few years. I'm from Gindie which is about 20 minutes away. Okay, thank you very much.

00:15:44Unidentified speaker: I'm here at the Emerald parkrun launch. I am here with Amanda, Caitlin and Mia. How did you girls find the run today?

00:15:53Unidentified speaker: It was really fun. Yeah, it was really good. Never run that far before.

00:15:57Tara: I thought it was great that you knew how far you were running and that helped set goals.

00:16:03Unidentified speaker: How did your dog go today?

00:16:05Tara: My dog went really, really well for the first time. It's great to socialise with.

00:16:08Unidentified speaker: And how did you guys find the course?

00:16:11Tara: It was pretty good. A few challenging hills in there that you had to push through but it was a lot of fun though. The course was great. It was good.

00:16:19Unidentified speaker: Thank you girls. We've just finished the run and I'm here with... Bianca. How did you find the run went today?

00:16:26Unidentified speaker: It was really nice. The track was really good and great temperature, a bit cool this morning.

00:16:30Unidentified speaker: How did your dog go?

00:16:32Unidentified speaker: He did really well. He does lots of running with me, so 5Ks is pretty small for him, but it's nice to have other dogs with us as well. And did you like the course? Yeah, it's a great course. It's got lots of different terrain and hills and straights, and that was really good.

00:16:47Unidentified speaker: Thank you. What is your name?

00:16:50David Moss: Tony.

00:16:51Unidentified speaker: How did you find the run today?

00:16:53David Moss: Very, very interesting.

00:16:55Unidentified speaker: Lots of different surfaces to run on, a few little hills. It was enjoyable. I'm here with Mel and I've just finished the Emerald parkrun. So what was your favourite part of the course?

00:17:09Mel: I guess mate, it's the coming together of the people in town, so it's something new, something fresh for the town. So yeah, it's really good. Good to see a lot of people turn out for it. Is it good to have a parkrun at Emerald now? Mate, I think it's sensational actually. It's something that the town's, yeah, probably been looking for for a long time now. It's good. It's a great thing, it's all around the country, so yeah, it's a good challenge for people. Get out, travel, and have a crack at the parkrun.

00:17:36Unidentified speaker: Steve, what do you think of parkrun today?

00:17:40Steve: parkrun today looks really exciting. I just like the way it looks like the most complicated parkrun course in Australia. But it looks like it's been marked out really well with arrows. I walked part of it last night. It looks like a beautiful course. This could get there into my top three, I reckon, by the end of the day.

00:17:58Unidentified speaker: And what's with your 50 plus Arbonne t-shirt?

00:18:06Steve: For my 50 plus tourist shirt, this today will be my 77. So every tourist parkrun I've done, after the run, normally, I paint on the different places I've been to. Today was the first time I've actually put emerald on before I started because I only had to walk from the motel, which was 100 metres, so I didn't think I'd have any problems.

Meet the ED

00:18:34Scott Trickett: Now quite often when we have our event directors on the podcast, they've run at parkrun. So we're going to mix things up this week and we're going to talk to one of our event directors who has never run at parkrun, but she runs an entire event. Welcome to the parkrun Adventurers, Charlotte Black from Willoughby.

00:18:52Charlotte Black: Thanks so much for having me guys. So excited to be here.

00:18:56Scott Trickett: We're excited to have you and let's talk about this not running at parkrun business. How does this happen?

00:19:03Charlotte Black: Ah, well, it happens when a lady or a fellow parkrunner/event director from Mosman comes and asks you if you'd be interested in event directing a Willoughby one because she's noticed that there is a lack, basically, on the north shore of Sydney of parkruns. And so May 2016, we kicked it off with Willoughby Council and, you know, got everything in order with parkrun over in the UK. And on November 4th of 2016, we kicked off our first parkrun. And I have done every weekend but two.

00:19:43Melissa Erbacher: event directing since then so that's how you haven't run before so yeah so charlotte you you've taken this on um at the request of of somebody from mossman but you you had never even run at mossman and you didn't even run at mossman after they asked and what gets you attracted to parkrun and creating an event when you've never actually participated before

00:20:10Charlotte Black: I guess it all comes from my background. So I am an event coordinator. So basically it's like putting on an event or providing event for people and seeing their joy that they get from an event. And that basically kind of drives me to get out of bed at 20 past five every Saturday morning. I find it like super rewarding. And I guess that's just how it's kind of happened. Back when I first was kicking off, I was busy on a Saturday morning. I used to coach netball. So parkrun, running at Mossman wasn't at the top of my to-do list but I did go along and volunteer at one of theirs and it kind of just kicked off since ever since then but I am being hounded by a lot of my runners that I need to run it so I'm not a runner um actually um I'm more of a walker jogger early morning when no one can see me so um it would be an interesting one if I did ever run but it is on my to-do list very shortly so yeah I think it's about time I do my first parkrun

00:21:08Melissa Erbacher: That was going to be my next question. What were the aspirations and do you have a running background? But if you coach netball, you're obviously very active and out there and sporty.

00:21:17Charlotte Black: No, I'm a swimmer. That's it. Getting in the water is easy, but running is, yeah, not quite there. But I do quite like a good walk. So I thought maybe I'll tail run. That would be it.

00:21:29Scott Trickett: So you've got the run directing down pat. One thing that is also unique about you, Charlotte, is that you're quite young. In parkrun circles, a lot of our run directors and event directors are a bit older, shall we say. But you're not.

00:21:46Charlotte Black: Yes, I'm not. I'm only 23. So, again, that puts it out there for you. So, yeah, it's something really different. All of my friends can't believe that I do something like that. Actually, a lot of my friends can't believe I get out of bed at 20 past 5 on a Saturday morning. A lot of them always ask me, what am I doing on a Friday night? And I say I'm normally in bed by 9.30 and the car's packed and ready to go to go down to parkrun. So, yes, I save my social life for the Saturday night shenanigans rather than the Friday night.

00:22:20Scott Trickett: So your generation struggles with the getting up early part of parkrun. But you don't mind it?

00:22:27Charlotte Black: Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I really do. I really, really do. I mean, when the alarm goes off, I really want to hit snooze. But by the time I get down there and I set the course up with my mom, who I'm going to drop into this, she is the most incredible person in the world. She is the one that gets up with me and sets up the course, which she loves. So she's the big walker in the family. She's always up early morning walking so she really enjoys it um and we yeah we have a good laugh setting up the course actually it was a few weeks ago when um we had the really bad storm um come through and there were trees over ours over our path and my mum and I were trying to move a tree so that was that was a good laugh trying to move a tree out of the way which then just turned into an obstacle for our parkrunners because um we couldn't move the tree so yeah that's a bit nice that you get to spend some quality time with your mum every weekend Yeah, it's good fun. She really enjoys it. I think I just can't believe the social aspect of it. I think that's something that I've been so like mind blown by, like the community vibe and the social aspect and just you create this whole new family and it's just awesome. And I think that's just something that like I really try and encourage people to like get down and get involved. So we're really growing, which is really awesome. So yeah. Yeah. And what kind of numbers do you attract at Willoughby on a weekly basis? So at the moment, we're averaging 180 a week. So not huge, but yeah, still pretty big, which is pretty cool. So yeah.

00:24:01Melissa Erbacher: 180 is substantial. That's, you know, I think a lot of courses tap out at 150. So you must have a nice space to be able to accommodate that many. Can you tell us about your course?

00:24:13Charlotte Black: Yeah. So we start on our Taman Reserve, which is just a local oval to Willoughby. We start in the middle of it or middle of it, start of the oval. So we actually start our parkrun on grass and finish on grass. But the rest of the track is on the concrete or a shared bike path. which to the horror of a lot of people, those speedy bikers that go riding down there is a fun one to make sure everyone's safe. Yeah, so we've got a few hills, which, well, a few hills, steep inclines, I could say, which throw people off. We've had a few tourists who are not happy about the inclines that we have. Our course is out and back, so not laps or anything. It's a Yeah, it's a good one. It's a really cool course and a lot of tourists really enjoy it. I have a good chat to them. So, yeah, we get a mixture. Some of them come back extremely puffed about the fact that the inclines in there really got to them. But a lot of them really enjoy it because it's a little bit scenic. It runs along the back of Willoughby Flat Rock Gully. So it's a bit of a bush path. bush track or not you don't run in the bush but it's got a bush either side of it but yeah so we've got the footpath there and we run through a few tunnels which is pretty cool one of them has um aboriginal artwork all over it which is pretty exciting to run through i quite enjoy it i think my handprint's actually in there that i did back when i was five years old so that's pretty good you're selling it to me yeah

00:25:41Scott Trickett: was great. Um, one thing you had the Achilles group come and visit you a couple of weeks back, they were out in force at your parkrun. Um, how, how did that go?

00:25:51Charlotte Black: Oh, amazing. It was so cool. I actually couldn't believe the turnout when, um, one of the ladies, Megan, um, she came forward and said to me what she did and how she wants to get them all down there. I was like, yeah, no worries. But the turnout was incredible. I think we had like 10 pairs or so. Um, And it was awesome. Yeah, everyone just getting behind them and encouraging everyone to get along and involved. And that's something that we're really trying to do. Our parkrun, just to turn off a little bit, is children are really involved in it. And if you come and look at our parkrun, we really cater for every generation, every type of person, everything. And I think that's really awesome. So it was really awesome to have them down there. And they're still there and they're still coming back. And, yeah, I think it's just awesome that Megan has really come forward to, you know, express her concern that maybe some of these people are being left behind and there isn't something for them. And now these people are volunteering their time to run with people who need that little bit of assistance. I think that's awesome. And kudos to them, really. Yeah. Mind-blowing, really. Yeah.

00:27:07Scott Trickett: Have you seen them come back? Have they returned since they... Yeah.

00:27:10Charlotte Black: Yeah, they sure have. Yeah, we've got a gentleman, Rocco, who has returned. And this week he ran a PB of two minutes, which was really awesome. So everyone's really out there, like, encouraging each other to, like, yeah, push to the limits. And, yeah, it's great.

00:27:27Scott Trickett: What is also great is that last week, courtesy of First Aid Accident and Emergency, they donated two defibs to parkrun. We had a random draw and Willoughby won.

00:27:39Charlotte Black: Yeah, very exciting.

00:27:40Scott Trickett: So your event is now the proud owner of a defib.

00:27:44Charlotte Black: Yes, which should be arriving any minute now, I hear.

00:27:47Scott Trickett: Yeah, so that's got to be exciting for your event and your event team.

00:27:51Charlotte Black: Yeah, yeah, it definitely is. Yeah, I think it's really great to, I don't know, I'm a bit like speechless. I was a bit surprised when I got the call about how we'd got one. I was like, oh, amazing. So, yeah, I think definitely, yeah.

00:28:04Scott Trickett: Now, you're a run director every week. Have you got some run directors to share the love, to share the volume of volunteering with at the moment, or do you need some more?

00:28:15Charlotte Black: Ah, yes. No, I have love. I really do. I am, you know, slowly being encouraged that maybe what if one week I really just couldn't attend and who would take over? Yeah. Yes, I have a great support system and I definitely do have some people out there who are always willing to help me out no matter what. You know, it is in the works to, you know, maybe hand it over, let some other guys have some run directing and maybe then I will run parkrun. So, yes.

00:28:47Melissa Erbacher: Well, Charlotte, thank you so much for sharing Willoughby's story with us, especially, you know, as somebody from a perspective who isn't a runner and doesn't run at her event. I'm sure you will appreciate it when you do have some fellow run directors to share that joy with. Because it is fun, especially all the creative volunteering that goes on behind the scenes. Nothing like sharing that around. Congratulations as well. Six months in, you've got six months to go to plan for your first anniversary. I'm so excited. So thanks very much for joining us on the podcast.

00:29:24Charlotte Black: No worries. Thank you so much for having me. And hopefully we'll see you around at ours or maybe I'll have to venture down to your parkrun.

00:29:41Melissa Erbacher: We've had him on the podcast before. He has been up to all sorts of fun shenanigans all over the place, among which included becoming parkrunner of the Month recently at Penrith Lakes and taking part in a Guinness World Record attempt in aid of outrun cancer over the weekend. Brendan Davies, welcome back to the parkrun Adventurers.

00:30:07Brendan Davies: Thanks, Mel. It's great to be back on.

00:30:10Melissa Erbacher: So you're pretty fresh off your Guinness World Record attempt, as fresh as somebody can be when they've been running on a treadmill in a team or with others for 24 hours. Do you want to tell us all about it?

00:30:23Brendan Davies: Yeah. So it was a charity event put on by a friend of mine up here in Sydney, Luca Turrini, who runs a foundation called Outrun Cancer. And Each year he does a big fundraising effort to raise funds for a cancer research charity. This year we chose to raise funds for Camp Quality. And so he has this dream of breaking three world records. And firstly, there was his own, that he was attempting a solo 24-hour treadmill run, and he needed to run over 260 kilometres to break the world record. And then either side of him on a treadmill left and right. I think for his own encouragement and his own help to some degree, but also just to get others involved in the whole journey with him, he set up a team of 12 men on one side and a team of 12 women on the other side, which we could hop on and off whenever we wanted to. It was up to the individual runners in those teams to decide, but we all had to be on that one treadmill during that 24-hour period, and the men needed to break 400 kilometres to set a new world record, and the women needed to, I believe it was 300, to break the female world record. And I'm very, very, very happy to say that all three world records were broken. It was just an outstanding event. It was... It was amazing to watch and be part of. It was one of those moments in running that you're just so thankful that you're in and around such a great community of people and a great sport to be involved in.

00:32:08Scott Trickett: And also around some handy runners. Because what are the average times you have to run? I'm doing the quick math in my head. Luca would have had to sort of sit on five and a half minute Ks to get his record. Is that right?

00:32:21Brendan Davies: Yeah, that's correct. Yeah, five and a half on the money there. uh scott and you know he fluctuated his pace a little bit as you tend to do in these events um but yeah from what i saw from luca he his pace never wavered too much below uh 5 5 20 kind of pace and he always kept it under 5 40s i mean he did have a few breaks here and there for toilet stops as you of course you need to do and um and that kind of thing So he averaged well under six minute – well, under five and a half minute Ks in the end, and that's what got him the world record, albeit not by very much. He only got past it, you know, with a couple of minutes to spare and ended up setting a new world record by 600 metres. So it was skating a fine line there, but thin ice, I should say. But he ended up getting it, and that was just added to the – the day because, of course, the male and female team world records had already been broken a lot earlier in the piece.

00:33:27Scott Trickett: And so in amongst those relay teams, there were some handy parkrunners as well. We had Marty Dent and yourself, of course, but there was a few elites.

00:33:38Brendan Davies: Oh, yeah. Yeah, well, we had to average like three and a half minute kilometres for the whole 24 hours. So unfortunately, to do that, we had to kind of be a bit picky about the quality of the runner's to enlist so yeah we had Marty Dent, Ben St Lawrence — you know, reigning fastest man over 10K in Australia ever — Matty Cox a really good up-and-coming marathon runner um we also had you know some very high standard uh triathletes and coaches a couple of youngsters up-and-coming track runners so yeah we all had a dig and you know some some of us got on for the five minutes and some of us got on for you know 10 15 minutes um it was it was a little bit of strategy involved because obviously if you go long then running three and a half minute kilometers or under you obviously need a bit more recovery time so we ended up working it out that the best strategy was 10 minutes on and then having 10 minutes off and then swapping that with a partner for two hours and then we had like a good 10 to 12 hour break And then the same pair would come back for another two-hour stint and do basically the same kind of segments again later on. And so that's how we kind of divided it up. So all 12 male runners ended up doing two hours of running each, mainly broken up in 10-minute slots. The females were a little bit different. A couple of them, they had some really outstanding runners in their team too, like Cassie Fien was involved and a few really good Sydney marathon runners. And some of them had up to an hour on the treadmill and some of them only had five minutes here and there. And there was a couple of long runs going on in the females. I think because the standard of the runners that they had, it meant that they didn't have to run so intensely because their goal over the 24 hours was just to maintain four and a half minute Ks. So the existing world record wasn't as tough, if you like. So they had a bit more room to kind of do whatever they wanted. I think a few of them got out their usual Sunday long run. So, yeah, it was really interesting and really exciting to be part of.

00:36:06Melissa Erbacher: And you obviously worked out these strategies ahead of starting?

00:36:11Brendan Davies: Yeah. So we had team meetings. Yeah. And we spoke about how we were going to break up the shifts and we worked out that, yeah, two lots of two hours with a partner was the best way to go. And we weren't quite sure what the best intervals would be. We were talking about 20-minute intervals originally and doing six of those, sorry, three of those in two hours each with 20 minutes recovery. But we worked out pretty soon that 20 minutes at 330 pace was actually quite a long a long time to maintain the pace. And the worry there was that after the first attempt, then the second one would slow down. And then the third one might even blow out of that pace range. So we'd actually be putting a bit of a deficit in the pace. So 10 minutes was really good because some of those faster guys like Ben St Lawrence and Dave Criniti and Matty Cox and And Jeff Hunt as well, another Australian Olympic marathon runner, they can easily hold like three minute 250 kind of pace for 10 minutes without a worry. So they were putting a lot of time in the bank for us. And that's what in the end gave us, you know, the opportunity to actually break the record by 20 kilometers.

00:37:28Melissa Erbacher: That was going to be my next question. So obviously, you know, you've got your strategies and you figure out your average time that you need to break the existing record, is the idea that you sort of only break it by a little bit so that, you know, you're not putting too much pressure on everyone? Or is the idea that you go in and you absolutely massacre the previous one to make it really difficult for somebody else to break in the future?

00:37:54Brendan Davies: We didn't really have a lot of experience on the treadmill, so we weren't sure how the day would pan out. So... I think the only rule we had was that we had to run under 330 pace just so, you know, we weren't putting time and we weren't getting behind in time. And whatever happened after that, we could kind of play it by ear a little bit. So I think, you know, for a lot of the guys and including myself, we all did the first interval, you know, at 330 pace and then we went, well, that was actually quite comfortable. We can ramp it up a little bit. And that's when, you know, we were starting to put time in the bank. The other thing we had to account for too was the changeovers because Originally we thought, oh, we're actually going to have to slow down the treadmill right down to do the swap over of athletes on the treadmill. So that's going to actually bite into our time that we've got in the bank. But we worked out that after a while and with a little bit of practice before it, we could do the swap overs really efficiently. We were hardly losing any time. In fact, when I was swapping over with Dave Criniti, I was just slowing down the treadmill to 330 pace. and he'd hop on and run along. Um, we were allowed to hold onto the handrails for up to 10 seconds on the swap overs, um, which, which made it a lot easier because obviously if you've got some support, your legs just kind of tick over at the speed of the treadmill then. And, um, you know, in the end we were jumping on the treadmill hot and only having to hold onto the handrails for up to, you know, maybe one or two seconds at most before we were away. And, um, so yeah, we were getting really efficient, you know, at the end. I think, um, If anyone saw the feed on Facebook, it was quite interesting to watch and exciting too.

00:39:39Scott Trickett: How do you find treadmill running? A lot of people refer to it as the dreadmill. I hate it. I couldn't think of anything worse. How did you go on the treadmill?

00:39:49Brendan Davies: I don't mind the treadmill. I think it depends on your level of involvement in the sport. I guess if you're a more into the recreational side of running and enjoy it for the experience of what it is and you like getting out on the trails and having a bit of relaxation time then yeah I can understand why treadmill running would be quite mundane and boring and indeed you know being in a room surrounded by walls and and you know maybe a tv in front of you it's not my idea of fun either but For guys more into the performance edge of running, it's actually a really good tool. It does control the pace extremely well, so to get into a rhythm is really easy. The elevation can be changed if you need to work on a hill repeat session. You can set it exactly to what you want it to be. You can set the speed to exactly what you want it to be. You can really work on your technique on a treadmill as well, cadence and um, body position and stuff like that. Um, so look, as a training tool, I think, you know, treadmills are a really handy thing to have. And I have one pretty much just for that or the other reason too, of course, I live up here in the mountains and it gets quite cold in winter. So, you know, I have been known to take the odd, um, week option and, and head on the treadmill instead of heading out in the cold. But yeah, like for a, for a performance, um, someone looking to, you know, improve their performance, I'd highly recommend, uh,

00:41:20Melissa Erbacher: incorporating a bit of treadmill running into your training program let's get outdoors though you're you're planning on heading to comrades in a few weeks and you've got your last long run before this um coming up this weekend which you're going to do at the wings for life now the wings for life is one of those funny events that hasn't got a particular distance what kind of distance are you hoping to achieve there for your last long run

00:41:49Brendan Davies: yeah it is it's a real exciting event it's um it's a different concept so everyone starts at the same time and yeah a half an hour i think later a car sets out at a given pace i think it might be under 15k an hour and then um gradually real you know reels in people and you then have to um pull off the course um so everybody finishes at a different spot really and that car eventually increases its own speed and, you know, gradually chases down everyone. So it's a really cool concept because you're not really racing, you know, to a finish line. You're kind of just racing within yourself and it's not going to be favouring any one type of runner. I think a faster runner could go out a bit hard and then maybe not get the distance that they're maybe capable of. Well, a slow and steadier runner might actually go a lot further than, They expect, you know, I'm an ultra runner really, so this kind of race excites me because it brings in a lot more of my experience and my nous, if you like, of ultra running. And, you know, I might not be the first person to 40Ks, but, you know, I might be the last person running, which is what I'm kind of hoping to do. And as far as distance goes, look, I have to treat it like a long run. I can't go into it wanting to race it. And, you know, although it's also always nice to win or podium or whatever, it's not my aim or goal for this experience. It's mainly just to get a race pace effort of comrades kind of intensity. And that's why I'm going to get that kind of experience before comrades. And I'm hoping to do 50 to 60 kind of kilometres around there, but it will all depend on... on the conditions of the day if Melbourne puts up a nice night or if Melbourne puts on its regular kind of four seasons in one day type conditions who knows I'm excited to be involved in it it's a really cool concept and yeah I've got a few friends down there too that we're catching up with so it's a good excuse to get away to what some people may say is the best city in Australia

00:44:08Scott Trickett: Well, I think it's factually correct. It is one of the great cities. The other cool thing about this Wings for Life is that it's happening concurrently around the world in plenty of other cities. So you must have looked at what you have to do to win the world title. Have you got that in the back of your mind?

00:44:30Brendan Davies: Yeah, look, there is a side of me that obviously is thinking that way. You know, I was 10th in the World Championships over 100K last year, so I'm obviously in and about that kind of range. But, you know, it's not about that. It's more about just being involved and getting out a good quality long run. But, you know, saying that if I'm at 60K and feeling great and, you know, Spark is in the league still, which I'm not really thinking it will be because my training load at the moment has just been ridiculous, so... I won't be going into this race fresh at all it'll be off the back of 100k's already before it in the week so you know I'll just see how it goes on the day if it's there and I'm able to get updates telling me that you know I'm in the ballpark yeah I'll definitely have a dig but I don't think I will be I think I'll just be you know cruising along and making up you know on the world stage the numbers so to speak I could be close to the front in the actual Melbourne race, which will be a nice little bonus if that happens. But I definitely won't be chasing it. You know, I just want to get good, solid long run under my belt.

00:45:50Melissa Erbacher: What was the ballpark for the world last year?

00:45:52Brendan Davies: Well, it was actually, you know, it was actually ridiculous. It was a guy, an Italian guy, Giorgio Calcaterra, he's won the world 100K championships around three or four times i can't remember he he did 88 kilometers oh my god it was it was actually well you know 88 kilometers and how long it was actually like uh six it was under six hours which is which is just you know flying it's he did something like 330 338 pace or something for for 80 kilometers or something ridiculous like 340s i i can't remember exactly but it was actually much much faster than what he ran at the world 100k championships you know that is a 100k not 80 85 or 88 or whatever he ran but usually you know um you'd leave your best performance for the world championships but in his case um he actually yeah he actually ran an outstanding race last year i think he won the world the world um wings for life run by by a big margin too yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't just, it wasn't a close thing. I think he absolutely nailed it.

00:46:57Scott Trickett: Brennan, before we let you go, let's just check in on your parkrun progress lately. We know you've been named parkrunner of the month at Penrith Lakes. How's, how's, how's your crew been going at parkrun?

00:47:11Brendan Davies: Mate, I've been loving parkrun, uh, this year. I've hit a couple of really, really cool, uh, really cool land, uh, life, life moments, I guess. Um, I think earlier in the year, maybe late last year, I finally got my 50th parkrun up. It was a long time coming. You know, I got involved in parkrun very early in Australia, down in Ginindera. It was one of the first ones set up. And, yeah, just with commitments, I'm not able to get to them all that often. So, yeah, I got my 50th parkrun T-shirt and wear it proudly. And, yeah, a couple of weeks ago I had the honour of getting the parkrunner of the month at Penrith Lakes, which is – You know, my local parkrun, if you like, I have a few near me now. There's one at Lawson, obviously, that's very close, and there's also a new one down at Nepean River that's also in Penrith. But, yeah, I think Penrith Lakes has always been that special one for me. And, yeah, so the same morning I got that parkrunner of the Month award, I think it just absolutely, you know, G'd me up because I went out and ran a sub-16 minute parkrun, first time dipping under 16 minutes. I ran 15.49, and it was a beautiful day down there at the lakes. It was, you know, one of those PB mornings. But I still like the runner, and I think it was just being the excitement of getting that award. And, yeah, it was a really good sign going into Comrades now that I've got that kind of speed under my belt. Last year, I think I mentioned to you guys that that I was using parkrun as a really good, you know, yardstick of how my training's going. Well, it's been basically the same this year as well. I've been heading down there when I can to get my 5K. I've always believed that, you know, you've got to have the speed under your belt no matter what distance you want to do. And so, yeah, using 5Ks is a really good yardstick. And, yeah, did a good time there and I just love receiving that award, you know, because it's not all about performances. In fact, it's not about that at all. It's more about the support and the involvement and, you know, the promotion of the parkrun movement. And I've always been a big believer and a big follower and a big advocate of parkrun. You know, I coach a big squad up here in Western Sydney in Penrith and And, you know, I coach a lot of people. I include parkrunning in their programs. And we support the new, as a business, I mean, my coaching business, we support the new Nepean River parkrun as well because I believe that, you know, every sport needs a grassroots level. And for a lot of people, you know, parkrun is how they get involved in running. You know, as a junior, you have a few more avenues like little athletics and, and, you know, things like that. But adults, you know, it's not easy to get involved in running. You know, there's a lot of races out there, but how do you just make the small steps into those races? And that's where parkrun comes into its own because it's such a cool concept. It's low-key and very casual. It's social and it has a community base around it that's only – it's so supportive. and there's no pressure on people, and that's what I love about it. You can go along and people can walk the first one if they want, whatever they want to do, and then they start to get a little bit more into it. The running bug, I always say go to parkrun and let the running bug take over because the running bug does the rest. You've just got to get yourself there, and that's what happens. They end up going once and then they make it a weekly thing, and before you know it, They want to know more about running and they want to know how to get better and they start becoming a little bit more involved in the movement of parkrun, volunteering, and they meet new people and then they start to broaden their running goals. A lot of them use parkrun as a stepping stone to bigger events, but not everyone. But that's what I love about it. It's just so inclusive and it's brought a lot of joy and happiness and and healthiness to a lot of people's lives, and that's why I support it.

00:51:37Melissa Erbacher: Couldn't agree more, Brendan. Fortunately, there's no vaccine for the bug that we call parkrun.

00:51:46Brendan Davies: I hope people don't look at me and go, oh, he's a crazy ultra runner that runs millions of kilometers. I hope I don't end up becoming like him.

00:51:56Melissa Erbacher: Oh, well, you know.

00:51:58Brendan Davies: Usually people have their own little goals and limits, and that's all that matters.

00:52:03Melissa Erbacher: It takes all kinds, that's for sure.

00:52:05Brendan Davies: Yeah.

00:52:06Melissa Erbacher: Thank you very much for joining us on the podcast once more, Brendan. Good luck with Comrades and good luck with Wings for Life. We'll be keeping an eye out to see how you go and hopefully that pacer car from the back end doesn't mow you down too soon.

00:52:21Brendan Davies: Thanks, Mel. And, you know, if I could just put one last shout out for the charity that, yeah, Outrun Cancer that we set up. or Luca set up on the weekend, it's not too late to donate. So if you had to outrun cancer on the internet and just hook into the website there, it'll show you how to get involved and help out. It was really a tremendous event and it raised, I think, over $20,000 for Camp Quality. So, you know, we can still take donations. So, yeah, thanks for your support there as well.

00:52:57Melissa Erbacher: Fantastic effort for a wonderful cause. Thanks very much, Mel.

Facts in a Haystack

00:53:09Scott Trickett: A massive month of April for parkrun Global. And our mate from Queensland, Stones Corner in particular, Ian Hay, is back to join us and break down some stats. Welcome back, Ian.

00:53:22Ian Hay: Thanks, Scott. Very exciting month for stats with the month just gone.

00:53:26Scott Trickett: Yeah, so for the first time in parkrun history, we had one million runners run in a month. I think we'll...

00:53:33Ian Hay: get there more often in the future but let's have a look at this million runners for april what have you got for us it's amazing and not only just that i know it's a five-week month which helps us to get to that but the weekend just gone we also had a record global attendance so that's the first time we've gone over 200 000 so 217 400 parkrunners across the world which is massive i was gonna say you know with five weekends in april the new record was always going to be

00:54:03Melissa Erbacher: you know in or the old record was always going to be in doubt but the new record didn't just take the old record out for celebratory breakfast it left it at home when it chucked a tantrum and wanted it to think about what it did because it absolutely slaughtered the old record it might be a long time before we get close to that again and that global record just on the weekend gone is just what helped pushed it just way over the edge so

00:54:30Ian Hay: I had a bit of a look back over just the last couple of times we've had five-week months just to see if anything jumped out. And they're all way behind. So I think, what was it, December, which you can't really count December because it's kind of hard with Christmas. We had 122,000 locally. So I'm not looking at global there, but we had 122,000. Whereas within Australia, we actually had nearly 149,000 runners. So we're nearly hitting 150,000 for the month, which is just huge for us.

00:55:00Melissa Erbacher: And when you think about it, you know, this is the time of year where the numbers do start to drop off a little bit because there are quite a few people staying in bed due to the extra dark and the extra cool. So we're not doing too badly in comparison to summer. So that's pretty good. How many volunteers went in to make that all happen, Ian?

00:55:21Ian Hay: So within Australia, we had 10,176 volunteers in April, which is a massive number of volunteers.

00:55:30Melissa Erbacher: Over the five weeks.

00:55:32Ian Hay: Yep.

00:55:33Melissa Erbacher: That's brilliant.

00:55:34Scott Trickett: I tell you what, not many organisations in the world could boast they had 10,000 people volunteering in a month. You know, not many Australian organisations anyway. So not only are we the biggest running event in the world, we've got to be pushing the biggest volunteer base in the world as well.

00:55:52Ian Hay: Just the logistics of that many numbers is huge. Yeah, it's fantastic. So we've also got a few numbers on... first-timers as well. So just to clarify, first-timers is the first time they've been to that event. So during April we had 22,700 first-timers out at events, which could include adventurers, but it will also include actual literal first-timers to parkrun themselves. How many were there, 22,000? 22,700. That's some good adventuring numbers. I think the overall adventurer numbers, so these are the ones, yep, these are adventurers, 34,500 nearly. So out of that 148,000, that's a big chunk.

00:56:31Melissa Erbacher: How many divide that by? So there's like 7,000 adventurers every week, just in Australia alone.

00:56:39Ian Hay: Yeah, and the biggest week, I think, was that long weekend, the 15th of April, was the biggest. It was 9,500, whereas the other weeks were around 6,500. So it was a big spike on the 15th.

00:56:51Melissa Erbacher: That's awesome. I'm pretty sure we don't have that many adventurers listening to the podcast. So where are you guys? Why aren't you tuning in? This podcast is for you.

00:57:03Scott Trickett: It's podcast smell. People don't understand them yet. They'll catch up. They're catching up. Just not 7,000 of them just yet.

00:57:15Ian Hay: Just yet. The other cool number that I had a quick look at too was how we were in April last year compared to this year, so within Australia. So we've jumped from 118,000 up to 148,500. So we've jumped up 30-odd thousand in the last 12 months across the same month.

00:57:32Scott Trickett: But here we go. I'm putting my sceptics hat on now. That just means we just had an extra week in April if we're getting about 30,000 a week.

00:57:42Ian Hay: So no, no, sorry, that was compared to April last year, so that was also five weeks. Oh, was it? A chunk last year, yeah. I did go back and double-check that to be sure. Well, that is good.

00:57:52Scott Trickett: That's great. So there's good literal growth, yeah.

00:57:58Melissa Erbacher: How many five-week months do we tend to have in a year? Is it only one or is there a couple usually?

00:58:04Ian Hay: No, we also had December, October last year. Yeah, December has five. October has had five weeks last week, last week, last year. Is that in July? So there's actually a few months.

00:58:17Melissa Erbacher: Ian, thank you very much for joining us to share those wonderful numbers. Perhaps next time we might have some global ones to share with everybody, which would be very cool. But it's lovely to see that Australia is certainly doing our bit to contribute to the global attendance records when these things happen. And look forward to having you back on the show again soon. Thanks, Mel.

00:58:40Ian Hay: Look forward to it.

Launches and anniversaries ("Where is the cake?")

00:58:49Scott Trickett: One million runners in April. Fair effort. I wonder if there'll be a million runners at Echuca Moama on Saturday.

00:58:58Melissa Erbacher: I think that may be a slight exaggeration. Although it is the second E in Australia.

00:59:04Scott Trickett: How about that? We haven't had an E for all this time and then we get back-to-back E's.

00:59:09Melissa Erbacher: It's just like waiting for a bus in London.

00:59:14Scott Trickett: Of course it is. So Echuca Moama, another one of these border towns where the cool town is in Victoria and the crap town's in Victoria. So that's why it's called Echuca Moema.

00:59:27Melissa Erbacher: I like how you said both the cool and the crap towns were in Victoria. Oh, did I? That backfired.

00:59:32Scott Trickett: Okay. It's okay.

00:59:36Melissa Erbacher: But moving right along, we've got anniversaries this weekend. In two of them in New South Wales, Batemans Bay are celebrating their first and Rhodes are celebrating their second.

00:59:47Scott Trickett: And in Queensland, Cleveland are celebrating their fourth anniversary.

00:59:52Melissa Erbacher: And we're going to keep it short and sweet.

00:59:54Scott Trickett: Yep, that's it. That is the outro.

00:59:56Melissa Erbacher: For the cake at the end. Because we've kept you busy all this time and you guys must have been running for about two hours by now. Or on a bus over several trips because you couldn't fit the podcast all into one.

01:00:09Scott Trickett: Yeah, we did this bit last week.

01:00:12Melissa Erbacher: No, we didn't. Yeah, we did. No, we made people run.

01:00:15Scott Trickett: Yep.

01:00:17Melissa Erbacher: But that's different.

01:00:17Scott Trickett: You were shouting at people on the bus, go, go, go.

01:00:21Melissa Erbacher: I wasn't shouting at them. Thanks for joining me this week, Scotty.

01:00:25Scott Trickett: Okay. Thank you. That's enough. See you next week.

01:00:28Melissa Erbacher: I would like to be back again next week.

01:00:29Scott Trickett: Will you? Okay, great. I look forward to the invitation.