Episode 70

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00:00:10Melissa Erbacher: Episode 7-0. 70. We got to 70, Scotty.

00:00:15Scott Trickett: We did.

00:00:16Melissa Erbacher: I should say hello to everyone. Hello everyone. Welcome to the parkrun Adventurers, including you, Scotty.

00:00:24Scott Trickett: Hi Mel.

00:00:24Melissa Erbacher: Thank you for joining me again this week.

00:00:27Scott Trickett: My pleasure as always. I've brought the 70s inspired music.

00:00:28[music]

00:00:32Melissa Erbacher: Love it.

00:00:33Scott Trickett: So I'm putting us in the mood for the rest of the ep.

00:00:37Melissa Erbacher: Excellent. Now... The question that is on everybody's mind is number 39. Did you match my number on the most events list?

Most events tally (Scott v Mel)

00:00:51Scott Trickett: For starters, I think you've grossly overestimated everyone's interest. in our most events tally slash competition.

00:01:00Melissa Erbacher: Isn't this what everybody thinks about all week, every week, is who is going to come out on top of the most events list between the two of us?

00:01:09Scott Trickett: Look, I keep starting the conversation with everybody. They don't seem interested. It peters out pretty quickly. So I think they're sending me a signal that they're not as interested in it as you and I.

00:01:24Melissa Erbacher: Alright, well maybe just answer the question for my benefit and then we can move on.

00:01:28Scott Trickett: Quick summary, yes, we're equal on the most events. You have attended 39 different events and so have I.

00:01:35Melissa Erbacher: Damn it! Okay.

00:01:38Scott Trickett: So we're equals.

00:01:39Melissa Erbacher: For now.

00:01:40Scott Trickett: That's the way I look at it.

00:01:44Melissa Erbacher: And where did you achieve this wonderful milestone?

00:01:48Scott Trickett: So event number 39 was at Mount Beauty. It was a launch event. which is exciting. Always great to see the birth of a new event. You know, lots of people standing around with no idea what's going on, not sure what's about to happen. And then it's a mix of people that know exactly what's going to happen.

00:02:12Keith Hong: Very experienced, very excited.

00:02:14Scott Trickett: And that's what I experienced on Saturday at Mount Beauty. So it was a launch, but it wasn't a big launch. The numbers were in the 60s because... Mount Beauty is in the Vic Alpine region.

00:02:26Melissa Erbacher: Lovely.

00:02:27Scott Trickett: Yeah, so at the base of Falls Creek and cold.

00:02:33Melissa Erbacher: I'll bet. Does it get snow in winter?

00:02:35Scott Trickett: That's a question I ask one of the locals, and it doesn't really snow. They call it a covering, and they don't really get a covering. They see snow, but it doesn't really snow, if that makes sense.

00:02:48Melissa Erbacher: They see it fall, but it doesn't stay.

00:02:50Scott Trickett: Yeah. Yeah.

00:02:52Melissa Erbacher: Okay.

00:02:53Scott Trickett: Well, I say it was cold. It actually wasn't too cold on Saturday. So it's in a... Well, I mean, it's cold, but it's not like I'm in pain cold like I was a couple of weeks ago.

00:03:03Melissa Erbacher: Okay.

00:03:03Scott Trickett: Because it's in a valley, so there's no wind. That's where all the pain comes, when the wind gets through you. And there wasn't any wind. It was perfectly still morning, a few blue skies...

00:03:16Melissa Erbacher: A few of them?

00:03:17Scott Trickett: Yeah, just a few.

00:03:18Melissa Erbacher: Excellent.

00:03:21Scott Trickett: That's a common expression, isn't it?

00:03:23Melissa Erbacher: It is now. So a few blue skies. Were there any bridges?

00:03:30Scott Trickett: There were bridges. I don't – well, you go over, so it's around a pondage, not a lake. It's around a pondage.

00:03:40Melissa Erbacher: Is a pondage even a word?

00:03:41Scott Trickett: A pondage is a word. So it's all linked to the hydro – scheme up there. The whole town's sort of linked to power in some sort of way. Again, I'm not a historian on this stuff. The facts elude me a little bit, but I saw lots of signs and I saw lots of power lines. And I understand that if you've got a big body of water and all that water flows somewhere, you generate electricity. So it's all linked to that sort of stuff. So yes, it is a pondage. So

00:04:10Melissa Erbacher: And that's what makes it a pondage versus being a pond. It's not a size situation. It's the fact that the water generates electricity. Is that correct? Are we learning some facts on the podcast this week?

00:04:23Scott Trickett: Let's go with that.

00:04:24Melissa Erbacher: They might be alternative facts, but... Yeah.

00:04:29Scott Trickett: It's all the rage.

00:04:30Melissa Erbacher: Yep. Okay.

00:04:32Scott Trickett: So they have outlets everywhere. Of the pondage. So technically we ran over those little canals. What are they called?

00:04:41Melissa Erbacher: The outlets. The outlets, yeah.

00:04:43Scott Trickett: So yes, bridges are included in Mount Beauty. Not long bridges. And it felt a bit like Alcatraz where you're going through a prison because there was all barbed wire over the top. Ooh. Chain link fences you ran through.

00:04:57Melissa Erbacher: Could you see through them?

00:04:58Scott Trickett: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's Mount Beauty. Really pretty. So... You run around the pondage.

00:05:05Melissa Erbacher: Can I just ask, have you ever run through Alcatraz?

00:05:09Scott Trickett: I went to Alcatraz when I was very young, and I can't remember if I ran.

00:05:13Melissa Erbacher: Okay, but you've been there, so you do know what it's like. I'm just trying to see whether or not you're a credible storyteller here. But please continue.

00:05:26Scott Trickett: All my stories are based on fact. So as I was saying, you run around the pondage, and so you're surrounded by these mountains. So Mount Beauty is going to be a very well-photographed parkrun adventure for many people, because as you run around one side of the pondage, you look back and you see the mountain range. It's nestled in the clouds, lots of trees, because there's lots of trees on the mountains, and it just looks pretty. And we went there at the end of autumn, so the autumn colours were up and about.

00:06:00Melissa Erbacher: And how's the elevation? So you see the mountains, but do you necessarily run some of the hillage?

00:06:06Scott Trickett: How ironic. There is zero elevation. It is pancake flat. And so this is another part of my adventure on Saturday. I went out just to run a tempo, a tempo run. Just keep it at about 80% and leave it at that. And I look down at my watch a few K in and I'm going, I'm going all right. I'm doing this easy. This is when the trouble starts. And then I think, I could probably go for a PB here. But I trusted my program. I just kept it to a tempo. And then I get across the finish line and not far off the PB. And so there was a part of me that was going, if I just dropped it on a couple of kilometers, I would have got a PB. But that leaves me with an excuse to go back.

00:06:56Melissa Erbacher: It does. It does. So a flat, fast course.

00:07:00Scott Trickett: Yes.

00:07:01Melissa Erbacher: And because you're around pondage, because you're in a valley, so you're not getting the winds that you would normally get off a lake, how does a pondage compare in size to a lake?

00:07:13Scott Trickett: It's not big.

00:07:14Melissa Erbacher: Okay.

00:07:15Scott Trickett: So you can see, that's the other good thing about this parkrun, because it's going to be small, they're actually not going to need a lot of volunteers because you can see everybody the whole way around. except for a little pocket, I guess.

00:07:28Melissa Erbacher: Is it a loop or an out and back?

00:07:30Scott Trickett: It's an out and back, but you basically run a whole length of the pondage, get to the turnaround point, and then run all the way back.

00:07:38Melissa Erbacher: Oh, okay, cool.

00:07:39Scott Trickett: Because if you did two laps of it, it probably would just be a pinch over 5k. So you go out and back, which is great. Gives you the opportunity for the high fives, catching the people coming the other way. which I've got to be honest, when I first started parkrun, I wasn't a big fan of the out-and-backs, but they're growing on me. I quite like getting the opportunity to see everybody else. So you get to see the fast girls and guys up the front and go, yeah, they're running really fast. But then you also get to see everybody. That's included.

00:08:11Melissa Erbacher: You do, and you get to see their faces, not just their arses, which is nice.

00:08:14Scott Trickett: Yeah. So I got to see my girls. Kasia made a new friend, which was great. And Big Tick. for Mount Beauty parkrun this week.

00:08:24Melissa Erbacher: Sounds gorgeous. We'll have to add that one to the list. Another state to get a launch last weekend was South Australia, and we had a man on the ground, and he was wearing a suit. Could you guess who it might be, Scotty?

Channel 5 News Crew

00:08:40Scott Trickett: One of our favourites.

00:08:42Melissa Erbacher: Definitely one of our favourites.

00:08:43Scott Trickett: I'm glad to hear the suit arrived in time.

00:08:46Melissa Erbacher: Let's let him tell everybody all about it, shall we?

00:08:50Paul Kitching: Good morning, Scott and Mel. This is PK, underscore PK. Paul Kitching, whatever you want to call me, mate. What I am is a parkrun adventurer and one of your roving reporters for, what is it, the Channel 5 news team, I think, now, Scotty? I was very impressed when you upgraded us. And thanks so much for the merchandise, the new outfit. The suit's a little bit uncomfortable to run in whilst carrying the massive microphone, but I'll give it a go. Checking in from South Australia and doing a little report from the new Mawson Lakes parkrun. I'm here at Mawson Lakes, and there's an awesome turnout, far out, I reckon more than they expected. So anyway, we're going to head off. There's quite a few crew from different parkruns here. They've been having trials for the last few weeks. I'm going to get out there and have a look and check it out, and then I'll have a chat to some of the crew afterwards as well. So let's go and see what this is like. Hey Mel, you're going to love this. I'm not sure if you or anyone has actually had a look at the map, but... And if you haven't, please make sure you do, because the actual course, the Mawson Lakes course, is shaped like a Z, like a Zed. And that means a lot to us Derek Zoolander Running Club champs. Well, we think we're champs. Anyway, enough rambling. Let's go and have a run. Okay, then. Well, we've done the parkrun, and it was awesome out here at Mawson Lakes. Beautiful run. Doing the Z course was awesome. Lots of left-hand turns, which was brilliant, and lots of good-looking people out there on the course. I reckon they got an awesome turnout. I'm going to chat to a few people. I've got Kylie and Peter here now. I've seen Kylie and Peter out at a few events, actually. I think it was the Greenbelt where I saw them walking past me at a mad pace because you guys are professional walkers. Is that right? we're not professional walkers we just do it for the fun of it I reckon you're professional well we try anyway yeah it's great fun good on you tell me more when I was following you at Greenbelt I think it was your t-shirt tell me a little bit about the story about what you guys are actually doing

00:10:54Peter: Sure. Every year we do what we call a 105 challenge where we do five half marathons. And five half marathons adds up to 105 kilometres. So this year we've added a marathon as well. So we're doing the Sydney Marathon.

00:11:08Paul Kitching: Fantastic. So what are the five marathons that you're doing?

00:11:11Peter: We do the Clare Half Marathon and then the Greenbelt and then the Barossa, which we've got tomorrow. And then we've got the Adelaide Half Marathon and then the McLaren Vale.

00:11:23Paul Kitching: Fantastic. Well done. And you've got t-shirts to do it. How's it been going, Kylie? You been enjoying it?

00:11:27Kylie: Yeah, it's been great getting a lot of training in, both running and walking. So it's a lot of fun.

00:11:33Paul Kitching: Fantastic. And lots of support out there for you, no doubt. And is this something that you've always been walkers or something you just aspired to? What got you going to do this?

00:11:43Kylie: We used to be runners but then playing netball and running got trouble with the knees a bit so walking seemed to be much better on the knees and yeah, still good exercise as well.

00:11:52Paul Kitching: Fantastic. What do you think of the Mawson Lakes parkrun? First of all, where is your home parkrun or do you just go to lots of them and what did you think of today?

00:12:02Kylie: We usually go to Torrens parkrun, but Mawson Lakes is closer to home. But it's a really good course, really enjoyed it, but done a few and enjoy all of them.

00:12:11Paul Kitching: Great, thank you so much. Well done, Peter. Thank you for being here today. I'm sure the Mawson Lakes organisers would love the fact that you guys are out here training for your walking and have a great walk tomorrow. Enjoy that, Barossa. alright thanks very much mate yeah it's been a great walk today really enjoyed it and yeah looking forward to tomorrow awesome and great to speak to as we know parkrun is absolutely inclusive and we know that we celebrate walkers and runners so that's why I wanted to talk to you guys because I think you're doing a great thing thank you oh thank you thanks very much mate good on you guys let's go and find someone else to chat to some other legends Okay, I'm now with Kate, who's fabulously good-looking because, of course, she is a Zoolander. Hi, Kate.

00:12:49Kate: Hello, how are you?

00:12:50Paul Kitching: Great. So there's a few Zoolanders here. There's a few of us in our T-shirts looking beautiful, and there's a lot of them Zoolanders in your tutus. Is this a regular outfit?

00:13:01Kate: Well, this is when we're touristing, when we're away from our home parkrun of Lockyer, we like to wear our tourist costumes.

00:13:08Paul Kitching: I love it. So real parkrun adventurers. Yep, and there's a junior parkrun adventurer right there, looking great. What did you think of today's course, Kate?

00:13:15Kate: It was lovely and great turnout for the first event at Mawson Lakes. And yeah, nice course, nice to do something a bit different and lots of things to look at. The little guy enjoyed all the things he could see from the pram.

00:13:24Paul Kitching: I love it, I love it. And why are you a member of the Derek Zoolander Centre for Kids Who Can't Run Good?

00:13:31Kate: Because they're fabulously good looking, so which other club could I be part of?

00:13:35Paul Kitching: Correct, we are all pretty beautiful. Well, good on you for coming out and you're looking beautiful in your tutus. And yes, look out for our photo on the Derek Zoolander Facebook page. It's probably the best looking photo on that page when we post it. Thanks for coming out, Kate.

00:13:48Kate: No worries, thank you.

00:13:49Paul Kitching: Good on you. Okay, I'm now just going to do some rapid-fire questions to some people who've just done the Mawson Lakes parkrun. I'm here with Gary. Gary, how are you, mate?

00:13:58Gary: I'm good, very good. Thanks, Paul.

00:13:59Paul Kitching: Very good. What's your home parkrun? Mount Barker is my home parkrun. Awesome. What do you think of Mawson Lakes?

00:14:05Gary: Very good. It's a possible PB course for me, I think, and it's close to home as well, closer than Mount Barker is. We need to move Mount Barker parkrun close to my home.

00:14:13Paul Kitching: That's right. Well done today, mate. And final important question, who's your favourite parkrun adventurers podcast presenter?

00:14:19Gary: This chubby called Scott, according to the $50 note that I got sent a couple of weeks ago. Thank you.

00:14:24Paul Kitching: Back for more rapid fire questions. I'm now with the awesome Jazz. G'day, Jazz.

00:14:28Jazz: Hello.

00:14:30Paul Kitching: What's your home parkrun?

00:14:31Jazz: Mount Barker parkrun.

00:14:32Paul Kitching: Awesome. And why are you here today at Mawson Lakes and what do you think of it?

00:14:36Jazz: I'm here for the opening, and I reckon it was great. It was definitely good to have a Z for Zooey's.

00:14:42Paul Kitching: Good on you. Yep, another fellow Zoolander here. And final question, the parkrun Adventurers podcast, who's your favourite presenter?

00:14:49Jazz: Ooh, I reckon Mel.

00:14:51Paul Kitching: Excellent, excellent answer. Thanks, guys. Chatting to another in a minute. Okay, we're still going on the rapid-fire questions. I'm now with Jason. G'day, Jason. How are you going this morning? Yeah, I'm great, mate. Which parkrun are you from? Victor Harbor. Fantastic. And what brought you to Mawson Lakes and what do you think of it?

00:15:07Jason: I just like getting around to the different ones and aiming to become a statesman eventually. So, yeah.

00:15:12Paul Kitching: And what do you think of today?

00:15:13Jason: Oh, it was great. Good turnout. Yeah, nice weather for it.

00:15:16Paul Kitching: And yeah, it's good to see everybody out here. Brilliant. And of the parkrun podcast, sorry, parkrun Adventurers podcast presenters, who's your favourite?

00:15:24Jason: Oh, what's that guy, that roving reporter? What's his name? PK, I think.

00:15:28Paul Kitching: Oh, yeah, I've heard of him. Yeah, yeah. Good answer. Good answer. Thank you. I'm now with Justin Parise, one of the event directors. Congratulations, Justin, on the launch of Mawson Lakes. Thank you very much. Great turnout today. How many did you get?

00:15:43Justin Parise: 307, I believe.

00:15:45Paul Kitching: That is brilliant. Well done. Far out. I'm from Mount Barker parkrun, and I think our best is to... 50-odd, 240, I can't remember now, but great work.

00:15:52Justin Parise: I think we had a few tourists today from Stratford and Malunga and Mount Barker, and certainly a lot of people in the northern suburbs have been waiting a long time for it. So I think it'll keep growing. It'll drop off next week and then start growing from there.

00:16:06Paul Kitching: Absolutely. So when did you get involved in parkrun? How long have you been?

00:16:11Justin Parise: I've been parkrunning for probably a couple of years. Mainly, my main thing is trail runner and ultra marathon running. I just love doing the parkrunning as a Saturday morning kick out before my Sunday trail run. I spend a lot of time on the trails either with very few people or on my own. And to run just a nice, easy 5K with so many happy people on a Saturday morning is just a ticket.

00:16:40Paul Kitching: Yeah, absolutely. No, you're right. We're at the Indulge Cafe afterwards, the official Mawson Lakes parkrun Cafe, and it is absolutely packed. They run off their feet, literally. But we're all here enjoying it, and it's great to see, as you said...

00:16:55Justin Parise: We've all earned a little bit of coffee and maybe a bit of cake after our run.

00:16:59Paul Kitching: I think you've done very well, mate. I think you'll be relaxing very well. No, it's awesome. And as you said, there's lots of adventurers here today. I've met quite a few people. And a beautiful course. Really, really nice course. How did you choose the course?

00:17:10Justin Parise: Yeah, it took a while to get a two point. You need two and a half K at least with an out and back. And the parkrun rule of no crossing roads made it a little bit difficult in Mawson Lakes. There's not a lot of space without houses and roads. So it took a little bit of planning to get 2.5km to make the 5km up without crossing a road. And we came up with that by making a Z-shaped course, which is quite unique, I think. It means a lot of corners on the course, but we're really happy with the course, with its half lake, half linear park. So you've got half of a lake run, it's pretty much half and half, and half of a linear park creek run. But what I really like about the course is the visibility between runners. It's amazing. You can almost see every other runner on the course at all times. Absolutely. It's so social. Everyone can smile and wave at each other. It's great.

00:18:06Paul Kitching: Absolutely. That's what I felt today as well. Lots of opportunities for high fives and for cheering people on, even if they're walking or they're running from either side.

00:18:14Justin Parise: Even in the linear park section... You're running that out and back. You can see everyone on the other side of the creek as you're running down the creek. So you're not just doing your one hand slap on the way back of an out and back. You're actually seeing the other runners at all times. There's just runners everywhere.

00:18:30Paul Kitching: Yeah, absolutely, mate. And it's a great advertisement as well for parkrun because there are no doubt there are lots of other people out there. They probably haven't heard about it or seen and they're wondering what all these people are running around for. So I think that's going to help.

00:18:41Justin Parise: We've had a few residents today. They'll get used to it and hopefully join in.

00:18:45Paul Kitching: Oh, well, I ran past someone who had his blinds down and had a massive sneeze and I yelled out, bless you! So I'm sure, yeah. But no, good times. Thank you so much. Congratulations. Sorry, mate. Thank you very much. Sorry, did you want to say one more thing? No, that's fine. No, you're a good man. I think what he wants to say is, I need a coffee. Well, congratulations again, Justin. Thanks a lot, mate. Really good. And congratulations to Mawson Lakes parkrun. Yep, that's it over and out. PK checking out from Mawson Lakes parkrun. It's been a great day here today. Looking forward to seeing the success of yet another parkrun here in South Australia. Looking forward to more people getting involved in parkrun. Thanks, Mel and Scott. You guys keep doing awesome things and so will all us parkrun adventurers. Cheers.

00:19:39Melissa Erbacher: It's been a little while since we had him on the show, so we thought it was well past time. to have Tim Oberg join us again. Tim, welcome back to the podcast.

00:19:50Tim Oberg: Thanks, Mel. And hi, Scott. Great to be here.

00:19:53Melissa Erbacher: And how have you been keeping?

00:19:55Tim Oberg: Oh, well, I mean, we've had a baby and a baby and a cyclone since the last time I was on the podcast. And it was actually in that order. We had little Archie the day before Cyclone Debbie ripped through the Whitsundays. So it's definitely been an eventful couple of months. That It's been very busy in my household indeed.

00:20:16Melissa Erbacher: And has Archie been to parkrun yet?

00:20:18Tim Oberg: Archie actually made his parkrun debut on Saturday, just gone. He did one lap of a two-lap course, so in the pram, of course.

00:20:26Scott Trickett: You also shared with us this week, Tim, in the newsletter, it was great to have you back. You also shared your personal journey over the past couple of weeks and your battle with anxiety. It got a good response from our parkrunners.

00:20:40Tim Oberg: Yeah, that's right. Look, I... felt it was time that i i felt i felt like writing something for the newsletter i obviously read the newsletter every week and i'm sort of watch what should get compiled and i miss uh i guess not having my voice in there each week um so you know obviously i mentioned to you scott that i wanted to start to write again in the newsletter and um and you agreed and I thought, okay, what can I write about? And I was coming up with ideas. I was going to write about maybe pacing at parkrun because that's something I've been doing a bit of. And then I thought I might actually do a little bit of an expose about how everything works behind the scenes with us, you know, with the management team and so on. But then all roads just kind of kept leading me back to writing about my anxiety that I've been dealing with over the last nine months. And then, you know, as I mentioned, there were a couple of sort of prominent cases of celebrities with depression that were in the media over the last couple of weeks. And yeah, as I said, the rose just kept leading me back to writing about my mental health. And so that's what we did. And yeah, as you say, it's had a really great response. And I was, I knew it would. parkrun's obviously a great platform to talk about things. Normally we just talk about parkrun, but yeah, You know, when we do raise other issues or causes, yeah, it always gets a good response. You know, the newsletter goes to over 300,000 people plus obviously all the reach from social media. So, yeah, I expected a good positive response and certainly we've seen that and I'm really pleased because I guess the whole point of writing about my journey is that hopefully it will inspire other people who are on similar paths journeys to speak up, even if it means just talking to a friend or whatnot. Obviously, not everyone has the luxury to be able to write in the parkrun newsletter like I do. So yeah, hopefully it's had a positive impact.

00:22:39Scott Trickett: I think one of the other reasons it did quite well is because over the journey, over the six years, you've given a lot of yourself to the parkrunners. So do you feel, through your weekly newsletter, do you feel a connection with the parkrunner community and the parkrunners? Because I think they feel that connection with you.

00:22:57Tim Oberg: Yeah, look, that's a really good point. And I think parkrunning in so many ways is a personal thing for all of us. It's not I guess the fact that there's over 450,000 members now in Australia is incredible. But ultimately, for most people, parkrun is about their small community and it's about their own individual parkrunning journey. And it's no different for me. You know, when we started parkrun, we had zero events and zero members in Australia. And so I've been riding this thing from the very early days when I And you could count the members on a couple of hands and a couple of feet. And I guess there's been an evolution of my journey. And I guess through this time, I've been having kids and I lost my dog. That was something I wrote about a while back. And then the running journey that we're all on as well of getting 50s and 100 clubs and things like that. And so, yeah, it does feel like a really natural and easy thing for me to do to, I guess, share a bit about my life with the parkrunners. And I guess I'm very aware that without the parkrun community, there is no parkrun. And, you know, I do feel very, very strongly connected to anyone who comes up to me in the street and mentions that they do parkrun or that they've got a friend who's a parkrunner and things like that. So, I think without a doubt there's a very strong personal connection at my end and I'm glad. I would certainly like to think that parkrunners would enjoy reading about my story and how that's progressing as well.

00:24:46Melissa Erbacher: You mentioned that the actual act of writing helps you. I'm sure it's very cathartic for a lot of people. Do you find that running itself is a similar experience in terms of helping you deal with your anxiety?

00:25:02Tim Oberg: On the most part, yes. Exercise has been really important in recovering from, I guess, the initial panic attack and the subsequent anxiety that came in the very early days of this when I had time off work and everything. I made a point of every single day doing some sort of exercise, although the doctor had said to me to do low-intensity exercise. So I actually had a few weeks where I didn't go to parkrun and I wasn't doing my typical running training. I was more doing things like sitting on a stationary bike and listening to music and going for walks and certainly doing yoga and meditation and things like that because I one of the i guess and this i still get this a little bit is is when i start exercising at a high intensity um and you know if you think to a typical parkrun everyone's just standing around then they have a briefing and then you just stand on the start line most of the time and it's ready go and everyone sprints and um you know we should all warm up probably a bit more at parkrun but i know typically i don't um and so you go from this kind of uh stationary um low heart rate scenario into a high heart rate scenario. It's one of those things that with people with anxiety, you feel this, you sort of are much more aware of your heart and of your body and you do have that sensation of you feel like you might be about to have a heart attack and I'm laughing just talking about it. But um you know i often get that even now at parkrun is when i when i go into that really high intensity run straight off the certain restraint at the start of the run you go oh i don't want to run too fast i feel like my heart's going too hard and you slow down a bit and and um you know i haven't pb'd for a long time and one of the reasons is a i'm not as fit as i used to be but b also i just don't tend to push it as hard now because you do with with the anxiety it can make you feel that way so So I guess to answer your question, like running and exercise, absolutely. But when I run really hard, my mind starts playing some games on me. And that's a really interesting challenge for me because it's something that I then, you know, I've got 5K to overcome that. So you have this little mind game going on in your head. And I sort of do feel, I always feel quite proud when I cross the line at parkrun now and finish a parkrun because it's an extra little layer of, of a battle that I'm going through when I do a parkrun. It's not just I'm not fit enough or I'm not fast enough, but it's actually mentally being able to talk yourself around. So, yeah, it's interesting.

00:26:43[laughter]

00:27:57Melissa Erbacher: And what about the actual people slash community aspect of it? Because I know if I'm feeling particularly anxious, I just don't necessarily want to be with people. And a lot of the time if you've gone to a new event or something like that, you've got a certain level of anonymity and you can sort of only interact as much as you want to. But, of course, you're Tim Oberg. You don't really have that anonymity anywhere, let alone at your home event. So how have you dealt with that or is that even an issue for you?

00:28:32Tim Oberg: Yeah. When I had my first breakdown, I had, I think it was two weeks that I didn't go to parkrun. And it was that just when a parkrun thing, I, I pretty much didn't almost didn't leave the house for a couple of weeks. I just didn't, I felt so, uh, you know, just wasn't at ease with things and I was confused and everything like that. And so I remember when I went back and did my first parkrun, no, no one knew anything was going on. Um, and I just rocked up and everyone was just like, Hey, you know, we haven't seen you for a couple of weeks. Good one. Because here at Airlie beach parkrun, which is my home parkrun, I would like to think that I'm just another one of the parkrunners. You know, I'm just Tim who comes to parkrun like everyone else. And, you know, I certainly don't throw my weight around walking around my own home parkrun. So, you know, telling everyone what to do or anything like that. So for the most part, I do just sort of, I would like to think anyway that I just blend in with everyone and I'm just one of the parkrunners. And so, yeah, so when I first got back into it, it was so great to just, remember it had only been a couple of weeks but just to remind myself of how supportive the parkrun environment is parkrun's been just so crucial uh for me because i guess this is the this is the first time i've had the real genuine home parkrun feeling because prior to this when i was living on the gold coast even though i had a home parkrun at kira and i used to love going there i didn't get there very often because i was always traveling around to other parkruns for launches and anniversaries and all that. But up here, you know, there's only a couple of parkruns around the place. We've got Bowen and Mackay that are sort of in striking distance. So, you know, nine times out of 10, I'm an early beach parkrun. So I now feel like I've got that genuine home parkrun where I sort of know all the faces. They all know me. We see each other during the week, you know, in the street and everyone honks their horns and waves and you see him in the supermarket and all that kind of stuff. So, so absolutely like it's such a supportive community here and despite what I know exactly what you were saying but I would like to think that I am just one of the guys one of the parkrunners up here and so yeah I feel I can blend in and just you know have that really supportive experience which is great

00:30:55Melissa Erbacher: Tim, for anyone who is experiencing anxiety or struggling with these kinds of issues themselves for the first time, what advice from your own personal experience would you give to them?

00:31:09Tim Oberg: Well, I mean, I can talk all night about that one, this one, but I guess one of the things is you have to talk about it. You have to have the courage, I guess, to... work out who in your life it is that you can talk to about this. You know, for me, I was very lucky that once I sort of started, like probably within 48 hours of trying to process what had happened and, you know, remembering I was down in Sydney, I wasn't actually with my family, I was able to start talking about it with people and being pretty open and I guess, yeah, identifying who those key people are in your life, who you think you can talk to about it. Obviously, if you don't have anyone like that, then there's the professional route, which is your doctor or a counsellor, or I think there's a number of phone lines that are available. So I think generally speaking, talking about it is probably the number one step. And as I've mentioned, writing about it has also helped me, but I think partly it's because I've got this great platform with parkrun to be able to use my writing to help others, which I think is probably... why the writing is so helpful for me. The second thing I think is looking at your lifestyle and if there's any contributing factors that could be causing your anxiety or your depression or whatever it might be and certainly for me there was a number of quick wins I guess you might say around my lifestyle that have made a huge difference and particularly around my work habits and One of those as an example would be that I only had one phone for both work and personal. And so therefore, I was effectively always contactable for work-related things. And so I very quickly changed that. I got a dedicated work phone so that when work finished, that phone went off and I didn't go on again until the next day. So it enabled me to disconnect and de-stress more. um so so looking at your those sort of habits and then also around our sort of food and nutrition so uh and you know what you're drinking and and you know i was a a mad keen coffee drinker probably two or three coffees a day um mainly socially like in terms of you know drinking coffees with friends or my wife or whatnot um and i haven't had a coffee now since um since august and And I do miss it. I think I miss the ritual of coffee more than the actual coffee itself. But, you know, so things like that have cut coffee out. I stopped – I haven't had a beer since New Year's Eve. I was finding that alcohol was just not really agreeing with me anymore. Just more on a chemical level, I'd have a couple of drinks and just not feel good. Different to a hangover, like just feel – I was just feeling yuck. Um, so I haven't had, I haven't had any alcohol since December 31st at about 10 PM. Um, and, and, and just trying to really have a clean diet. So cutting out all the sugar and all the things like that, that for me, all that stuff just goes to my head and doesn't make me feel great. So doing as many things like that as you can do to, to just try and help your mood and, and, and help you, I guess, help you, the chemistry within your body. So, I guess they're probably some of the main things to do.

00:34:44Scott Trickett: Tim, great advice. Thanks for sharing your story. Good luck. Everything in your life and everything in the parkrun world going forward.

00:34:52Tim Oberg: Thanks, mate. There's a lot going on in both of those realms, my life and the parkrun world, but I'm definitely on the right track. And, you know, I guess the last comment from me is obviously I've read a lot of the comments on, on, uh, well, I've read all of the comments on, on the blog, on the parkrun website. And there's, there's a lot of, a lot of you probably people listening and certainly parkrunners who are doing it a lot tougher than I am. And, uh, I hope that, um, you know, I guess listening to this and reading a blog and going to parkrun, um, gives those people some of what they need to try and, um, feel better and, and, and get better and, and, I think I mentioned this in my article, but if anyone out there wants to, you know, contribute to the parkrun newsletter by sharing their story, then send it through because it may help them feel better as well. So, yeah, thanks for having me on, guys, and all the best.

00:36:02Scott Trickett: Launching this week. Run Nation Film Festival. It's in its third year and what a great opportunity to catch up with Keith Hong who puts on the whole thing and he's going to give us a bit of a preview as to what's in store. Welcome to the podcast Keith.

00:36:19Keith Hong: Thank you. Good evening. Good evening, Scott. And hi, Mel. And hi, everyone. Okay, three years you've been doing this.

00:36:27Scott Trickett: It's bigger and better this year. You're in more places, I've noted, this year. That's a good sign of success. Obviously, the first two years have gone really well.

00:36:37Keith Hong: Yeah, it's a first year very much as a proof of concept that we just want to, first year how we started, we just wanted to We came across a lot of amazing content. I think stories of runners with really very different motivations and the stories that they put together are just really amazing. And we found that people were getting motivated just by watching the films without actually needing to run. So we put that event together in the space of just, what, 11 weeks or So in 2015, we had 256 people all came together in one cinema in Sydney, and it was really cool. Can we do it again next year? In 2016, we curated a whole series of original films again, which very much... It's funny, though, if you tell people it's a running film festival, the first thing that pops into their head, they're going to think, am I going to watch two hours of just watching people run around the block or running around the marathon track? Or I'll say, no, no, no, it's not just the running, but the focus is very much on the human interest side of it, on why they run, what motivates them, what excites them. Often there's a bit of a twist. Often there's a bit of people who have shed a few tears. Some people get laughed at a little bit. So year on year, including this year, we have very different content again. And of course, because the running community is so strong at the moment, and of course with all the different partners, we have expanded from one to seven venues to 14 different venues this year.

00:38:21Melissa Erbacher: Fourteen different venues. So you start in Sydney this week. I know I'm going to be heading along to see the Brisbane viewings. So where else can people find you, Keith?

00:38:35Keith Hong: We are in most of the capital cities. I think if we go down the coast, of course, we start from our home ground in Sydney. Then we travel to the major cities, Brisbane, Melbourne, Canberra, And of course, we are in Gold Coast, Adelaide, a few other areas like Townsville, Rockhampton, Central Coast, Perth. Don't forget our friends in Perth. A second screening in Sydney, south of Hobart, Newcastle. And of course, we feel we don't want to leave our friends in the mountains. And we have one screening in Blue Mountains in New South Wales.

00:39:18Melissa Erbacher: Wow, that is a lot of venues. And what kind of time period is this spaced out over? When is your last session?

00:39:28Keith Hong: When we do all the different scheduling and we deliberately schedule them actually just before a lot of the major events, major marathons or major running festival. So we start from 1st of June and we finish up right until 11th of November and Um, for example, Brisbane, which the one that Mel you'll be attending, uh, it's actually on the 29th of June. We, we schedule it really deliberately just before Gold Coast Marathon. So we can really get everyone all psyched up and go, wow, that was really cool. And that was really powerful. And they'll be all charged up and add onto their training and run a little personal best in Gold Coast Marathon. And that's, that's really the key thing on when we, when we did all the different planning as we tour around the country. Melbourne is, of course, before Melbourne Marathon. Canberra and the second Sydney is scheduled just before Sydney Marathon. Hobart is before some of the big Hobart races. Newcastle is before Fernleigh 15. And, of course, Perth you have before the Perth version of Sea to Surf. So we are pretty excited to be able to go back to all the different familiar places, but also to go to different venues and really connect with runners that we have not been there yet.

00:40:46Scott Trickett: Keith, can I take you back to year one and the initial idea? How did you come up with the idea to put on a film festival solely focused on running?

00:40:56Keith Hong: We came across a... We actually... there was a friend of ours, a close friend of ours, the name of Kiralee Deer. She had this project and she actually had it all documented. So she ran 860 kilometers over 12 days across country near South Wales to really raise awareness for domestic violence. So if you put that in context, her whole journey was documented And while it was an amazing purpose and amazing course, that piece was actually really powerful when you put it into a whole cinematic experience. And I could just go, imagine we had that on the big screen and I think we're onto something here. And of course, as we start reaching out to friends within our community, Then we realized, hey, you made a content. I remember last year you did this epic race close to Kosciuszko. And it looked really good. And I put that together. And then someone said, hey, Keith, do you know I have this great content about me behind the scenes filming this run, doing this trail event? And I said, oh, that's three. Let's get another few more. Before I know it, it became a whole two hours content that we just went, this is going to be pretty epic. And that's how the first year started. It was organized chaos, I call it. And that's how the first year came about. And we had a slightly different process for 2016, but that was how 2015 started.

00:42:36Scott Trickett: And what have you got in store for us this year? Can you give us a little preview about what we might see?

00:42:41Keith Hong: Yes. I don't want to give too much away. So we actually have seven different pieces, making up 100 pieces. 19 minutes, I'm being really specific here, to two hours, two hours of continuous different content. We have three, sorry, pardon me, four never seen before content and the range, I think the anchor, the key feature film this year, it's a Swedish runner by the name of Kristina. So she wanted to break down the barrier of people's perception of Iran and knowing people's association with Iran. The country is often about terrorism and fear and militant. She wants to just run across Iran and just really experience herself. And this is a woman who decided on a three, four months out and she said, I'm going to run across Iran on my own. And She, of course, herself is quite an accomplished endurance athlete. But the whole, this story, it really captured her fear. A woman alone in a foreign country where she speaks not a word of the local language. And it became a really, really powerful piece. And we are really, really fortunate to have the opportunity to show that first I think it's only at the festival that we get to show it.

00:44:17Melissa Erbacher: Can I just ask, Keith, how do you, I mean, you must get heaps of submissions. How do you choose what to include in your festival?

00:44:27Keith Hong: It's a great question. Thanks for asking that. It is a very, a lot of the content that was shared with us, we received a total of 268. different submissions. And also part of that is also a few that we curated that we know we went to approach because we know it was a really strong piece. At the end of the day, though, it's really important for me to that this is not just about a single identity. We want this to really appeal to a really broad range of audience that have that little common denominator for love of running. It can be the ass runners, the back of the pack runners, runners for really you know 15-20 hours a week runners to the olympic the olympians runners so when we when we come to that it's quite it's quite quick for us to go this is very focused on just one individual person and we know it doesn't it would not connect with the audience in the way that we we feel is relevant at this stage um there are pieces that are out there that that that we know the underlying message uh which one of the content is called run mama run uh talks about strong athlete going through the normal daily human cycle of being pregnant but how did that affect her and the elite athlete performance so it really connect with audience in many different ways people who are just ordinary people like you me and Scotty and all the parkrunners was listening on this podcast how is that relevant to them you certainly don't want to be watching something that you know I'm not an elite runner I'm not an Olympian it doesn't appeal to me no, it is, it is really there. How, how that story is being told, what, why are they doing what they're doing and, and, and what they have gone out and really achieved, even though it's so small, it's so small, but the end result is just exponential and really huge. Um, we, at where we scale it down to about 25 stories. And then we had a panel of, um, We'll call them screeners or reviewers. So these panels are made up of, we have our charity partners, Anne Crawford and Susanna from Can Too Swim and Run Foundation, who's our charity partner. We have our presenting partner, Traveling Fit, two of the directors, who are both mad, mad, crazy runners as well. So they provided the aspects of, runners from from general running cohort can tours and and the general running group to enthusiastic hardcore runners like Mary Ma who have done Marathon des Sables and then we also have audience screeners that have absolutely don't like sports at all but they can provide from a technical point of view production value point of view oh that that cinematography was really good that was the storyline for that one was all over the place So this whole team of 12 reviewers sat down. We gave them a little scoring sheet. And then we whittled down to 10. And then it was left to me to go right. From a festival director's point of view, I get to really lock down the final eight. Sorry, final seven. So that's how we got this year, seven. Sorry, that was a long answer to your short question.

00:47:51Scott Trickett: No, we like long answers. It's good. Now, I'm guessing, Keith, you're also a crazy mad runner too. I reckon you like running. I think you can run pretty fast, can't you?

00:48:01Keith Hong: I'm a... How do I put myself? I'm the back of the... No, no, I'm the front of the middle of the pack runner. Or the very back of the front of the pack. I just came back last month from the Boston Marathon. And I can tell you, I have to put it out there, Boston Marathon... It is unreal. It's an epic, epic event. And I went there for a 2.59, but I was closed, but no cigar. 3.01.05 was what I walked away with. But it's still a PB. I still walked away with a personal best. So I'm an enthusiastic runner, if you want to call it.

00:48:51Scott Trickett: I reckon there's probably a film or a documentary in that. Missing your goal by one minute and 50 seconds or something, that's got to be heartbreaking, even though it's a PB.

00:49:01Keith Hong: Yeah, I like to think progression, not perfection. I think that's always a good way to approach it. For us, running is always a lifelong process, a lifelong journey. I think if we achieve all the goals every time, I think it takes away the fun. Now I'm really thinking what's next. I'm looking at my wife. Can I go to Tokyo? Can I go to Tokyo 2018? And, you know, all these little goals to take along the way. So my personally to relate back to a lot of the parkrunners, actually, the next couple of months, I'll be going back to be doing a lot of the parkruns really just to get back into that. 5k rhythm where you just go out and really just get get a good 5k time and really going week in week out how consistent you are as a runner um then there might be good days in the office my bad days in the office but you're still out there every saturday uh still be in touch with yourself use that as a baseline and then build on to get my 10k and a half marathon time hopefully by october i'll be down to maybe a a high 80s or low 81s for my half marathon and then uh and then yeah 2018 tokyo marathon it's a in an ideal world that will probably be uh when i will have my uh 24th marathon uh that i'll hopefully will go on to get a 259 xx well tell us about your parkrun journey where's your local run my my local run oh i'm a I live in Sydney, New South Wales. I think we're a bit of a pamper with the options that we've got. My local closest one is Willoughby, Willoughby parkrun. But the one that I am most biased to that I often would enjoy my morning drive is Rolex parkrun. It's a fairly fast course. I think the front run is due mid-16 minutes, which is really a nice flat course. Some other local parkruns for me is Mossman, where it's three loops, where it has one pinchy hill in the middle of it. It just goes, oh, three times. So that keeps you really honest. And of course, we have the infamous St. Peter's parkrun, which anyone who's listening to the podcast and you're visiting Sydney, You haven't ran in Sydney parkrun until you've run St. Peter's parkrun. The hill in the middle, it doesn't look big, but it gets you, but it's one amazing parkrun. So if you're coming to Sydney to parkrun, go St. Peter's. That's an amazing parkrun. That was the first big one in Sydney, and that's still one of the big ones that attracts regularly about Sydney. 350-ish. Did anyone I miss out? I've gone to Cook's River twice. I have not been up to Penrith. I know that's a really fast one. And of course, year on year, I know there's a gentleman down in the Southern Shire, Damon Bray. He's always, he's a big advocate for parkrun. He has started three parkruns already. So Damon is a big advocate for parkruns as well. so it's amazing when when you you're constantly in touch with all these different parkrun groups and you just go each parkrun you have all these people coming out being really so active within that community and collectively every week when when you get that newsletter from parkrun australia you see those numbers go up and up and up and above and just think how many lives are getting transformed i know it's very cliche but people are really actively being out there and And it's like one step for this person. You know, a year later, they'll be thinking, geez, a year ago, I did my first parkrun. And this is my 50th, 80th, 100th, 200th, you know, whatever. So it's what parkrun Australia have done or parkrun in general have done for the sports community is amazing. It's huge.

00:53:06Melissa Erbacher: I have to say we're big fans.

00:53:10Keith Hong: I bet you. I'm just curious, though. Mel and Scott, how many have you all done? How many parkruns have you all done?

00:53:16Melissa Erbacher: I think I've done 111 actual runs, but 39 different events, Scotty.

00:53:24Scott Trickett: Yep, same, 39 different events and just a few more actual parkruns.

00:53:30Keith Hong: I have to ask that question. scott which is your favorite no no i can't answer that not on the podcast i'd have to stop recording oh i have to ask mel that since i asked scott mel no see we can't we can't give away our favorites because yeah we just want to share the love with everyone yeah i guess every parkrun have his his own beauty have his own idiosyncrasies have his own amazing, fantastic group of volunteers, which I think we really have to give a big shout out to all the volunteers out there as well, especially this time of the year, especially in Melbourne, where it's now single digit. If I can just put it out there to all the parkrun volunteers listening to this podcast, I salute you. So thank you for keep doing what you're doing.

00:53:32[crosstalk]

00:54:17Melissa Erbacher: Keith, thank you so much for joining us this week. Good luck, not that you're going to need it, with the Run Nation Film Festival as you go on tour. I hope you manage to get in some parkrun adventures when you're visiting some of the other states and territories with the film festival. And I do love progression, not perfection. I'm going to adopt that, I think. Yep.

00:54:39Keith Hong: Please do. Please do. Thanks for having me. And I really would want to encourage all parkrunners to jump on and support this event. This event is made for you. Run Nation Running Film Festival presented by Travelling Fit. We want to continue to use this film, this series of films to connect with you and for you to connect with the sport that's giving you so much and more than just running. It's not just running. It's you. So thank you, Scott. Thanks again, Mel.

Launches and anniversaries ("Where is the cake?")

00:55:16Melissa Erbacher: Speaking of fun things to get along to, running film festivals, top of the list. But straight after that, I would say come launches and then anniversaries because that's where cake are.

00:55:28Scott Trickett: Nice segue, Mel. There's one problem. There's no launches this week. Oh, damn it. So let's focus on the anniversaries.

00:55:41Melissa Erbacher: Well, there's more likely to be cake at the anniversaries anyway. Who is celebrating their first anniversary this week, Scott?

00:55:47Scott Trickett: And keeping with our one-week tradition of only announcing first anniversaries, let's see where this goes. Congratulations to Bowen in Queensland.

00:56:00Melissa Erbacher: Yay, Bowen!

00:56:02Scott Trickett: Yeah.

00:56:03Melissa Erbacher: They'll have extra reasons to celebrate since they're all piecing, you know, they're all back together again and... It's not bittersweet. Yeah, happy times. It's not bittersweet. It's the opposite of that. It's sweet, sweet.

00:56:16Scott Trickett: Happy times also at Narrabri in New South Wales. Narrabri? Narrabri. Narrabri. Narrabri.

00:56:23Melissa Erbacher: Definitely Narrabri.

00:56:24Scott Trickett: Yep. And West Beach in South Australia.

00:56:28Melissa Erbacher: Happy anniversary, guys. Well done on making it to your first year of parkruns. If somebody wanted to find out where those anniversaries were though, Scotty, because that's what adventurers do, where would they go?

00:56:40Scott Trickett: You would visit the parkrun Australia blog and you would find a list of all the launches, all the anniversaries and all the cancellations whenever you want, all in one place.

00:56:51Melissa Erbacher: Like 24-7? 24-7. Oh, that's awesome. They don't have to like scroll through a million emails to find the most recent parkrun email or anything like that.

00:57:02Scott Trickett: Exactly. Bookmark the page.

00:57:04Melissa Erbacher: Maybe we should bookmark it in the tourism group.

00:57:07Scott Trickett: That's a good idea too.

00:57:10Melissa Erbacher: Let's do that. That might make it easier.

00:57:12Scott Trickett: Hmm. Okay, that's it for this week. Great to have the boss back and great to hear from Keith. Very enthusiastic, Keith. I can't wait to get along. I've got to wait a bit longer than you to see this film festival this year. But I don't know, it's going to be touch and go if you're going to even be there.

00:57:31Melissa Erbacher: Make it to the first one? Yeah. I think time will be on my side.

00:57:38Scott Trickett: We'll see. We had this discussion last week. Yeah.

00:57:42Melissa Erbacher: It's all good. It's all good. I just crossed my legs. Seriously. How hard can it be to hold a baby in?

00:57:47Scott Trickett: Well, it looks like we're going to find out. Because you've promised on a couple of occasions now to not let anything get in the way.

00:57:59Melissa Erbacher: I'm sure it'll be fine. Ye of little faith. I'm a multitasker, Scotty.

00:58:04Scott Trickett: We're working on something. Something exciting coming up in the next few weeks. We hope it'll be exciting. So that's a little tease. I'm not going to say anything more than that.

00:58:14Melissa Erbacher: Yeah, and don't say anything more than that because you often tease people with, we're going to do this and we're going to do that and then, you know, we don't.

00:58:21Scott Trickett: All those things are happening. Remember March Madness? That was going to become May Madness.

00:58:28Melissa Erbacher: We didn't say which year, did we?

00:58:30Scott Trickett: Well, maybe June Madness. I tell you what, that's going to be fun.

00:58:34Melissa Erbacher: I don't think June's a good month to do it.

00:58:38Scott Trickett: Whatever happens.

00:58:38Melissa Erbacher: We've got a lot going on in June.

00:58:40Scott Trickett: Okay, July madness. That's got a nice ring to it.

00:58:43Melissa Erbacher: Yes.

00:58:44Scott Trickett: It's going to be fun. That's going to be fun. The book club reviews, the book club is coming. We're not prolific readers. Well, I'm not. I'm the weak link here.

00:58:55Melissa Erbacher: No, I wouldn't say that. I would say the book supply chain is the weak link because it's taking forever for my book to arrive. I checked the PO box again today and it still isn't there.

00:59:06Scott Trickett: Okay. So that's all coming. It'll get here eventually. Yeah, it is.

00:59:11Melissa Erbacher: We're going to make good on those promises eventually.

00:59:14Scott Trickett: Yeah, we're going to wrap the podcast up at the end of the year and so we've only got a few. Don't say things like that. That's not true. But they're all coming. Guarantees. Scotty Trickett guarantees. They're all coming. Thanks again, Mel, for this week. Hey, you know what? Before I go, I'm going to sample a new event on Saturday. Are you?

00:59:37Melissa Erbacher: Another one?

00:59:37Scott Trickett: Yeah.

00:59:39Melissa Erbacher: Two weeks in a row? Yep. Oh, you are not.

00:59:43Scott Trickett: Yeah, I am.

00:59:45Melissa Erbacher: I'm run directing. I can't move.

00:59:49Scott Trickett: So we were equals for one week only.

00:59:52Melissa Erbacher: Oh, I'm coming for you, Trickett. Don't get all cocky about getting one ahead of me on this list, okay?

01:00:00Scott Trickett: Well, you're actually not because...

01:00:02Melissa Erbacher: I am. As soon as I don't have to go to yoga, pregnancy yoga anymore, this small backer is like hitching a ride all over the countryside.

01:00:13Scott Trickett: Okay. Our youngest adventurer ever. They, she, he will need to be because by the time it pops out, I'm going to be a few ahead.

01:00:23Melissa Erbacher: Oh, yeah. Well, make the most of it while you can because it's not going to last very long.

01:00:28Scott Trickett: I will. I'm going to mention it at the end of every episode.

01:00:34Melissa Erbacher: You're a good friend. That's all right. I would do exactly the same thing. And I have been for several months. Actually, no, I've been.

01:00:43Scott Trickett: No, you haven't.

01:00:44Melissa Erbacher: Yeah. I haven't been rubbing it in anywhere near as much as you are right now, so...

01:00:50Scott Trickett: You are the better person and the better friend. So thank you, Mel. I'll speak to you next week.

01:00:56Melissa Erbacher: Episode 71. I'll be there.